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 trigger happy, bear bangin', beer swillin', dirt-lovin', event organizin', hell raisin' REDneck
Maple Ridge (Redneckville), BC
Canada
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Posted - 01/24/2005 : 9:52 PM
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Whao - gotta love this!!!!
Gotta put my vote firmly in SG Rant's corner on this one!
I don't support comments made regarding Aqua Terra and some others pointed at Exscape,...They are not the evil morlocks on this board, far from it.
But as for your main bullying comment, I couldn't agree more.
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 Alberta-based choss climbin', flame throwin', rappel lovin', ass talkin' hater who doesn't like "Gumby" for a descriptor
1100 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2005 : 10:06 PM
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Hiker Boy and a few others have played covert turf games with me.
Whatever. He hides behind his sponge bob square pants profile...and he has his henchman "the hiker" to stick up for him.
Another vote for Sgrant.
It's good to have some one stir the pot every once in a while. It keeps the reading interesting. I mean let's face it...not every one gets a long all the time. Now let's all sit around the camp fire holding hands and singing kumbaya  |
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trigger happy, bear bangin', beer swillin', dirt-lovin', event organizin', hell raisin' REDneck
Maple Ridge (Redneckville), BC
Canada
2615 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2005 : 10:08 PM
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How about "Running with the Devil" by Van Halen... instead of Kumbaya...
Sounds more appropriate 
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Alberta-based choss climbin', flame throwin', rappel lovin', ass talkin' hater who doesn't like "Gumby" for a descriptor
1100 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2005 : 10:10 PM
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Originally posted by Hiking_nut
How about "Running with the Devil" by Van Halen... instead of Kumbaya...
Sounds more appropriate
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"I'm a backpacker, ...Carbohydrates are my friend".
How bout some good ole compromising? We mix the 2 into one of those new funking techno dance grooves. |
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bandana wearin', pole huckin', view lovin', dog herdin', 4x4 navigatin', lake huntin', butt-slidin' bridge crosser, who enjoys postholing with an overnighter pack
Surrey, BC
Canada
4649 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2005 : 10:14 PM
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How do you know he hasn't already? I'm only speaking on AT 's behalf because his computer is down ... apologies go to you if that comment affected you personally, but I can assure you that he did not mean any harm by it.
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Originally posted by sgRant
Those who think so-called jokes involving shooting people are funny, should wait until after they've faced people trying to intimidate them with guns three times, plus twice with knives, as I have, before offering their opinions.
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Outdoors addicted flyfishing, skiing, snowshoeing, hiking car crooner and resident motormouth
Da'Wack, BC
Canada
5372 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2005 : 10:18 PM
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I must say this has been one of the more interesting threads on CT in some time. No offence taken about the hi-jack it can happen anywhere.
And anyone who's been around long enough will know that HB and I once challenged eachother (when I was new to the group) but I don't hold it against him and I didn't back down. But then that's just my personality, and personally I think he's mellowed since then.
I do think however, that the board is reflective of some part of our true personality without restraint - there's very little risk in saying what you feel, this is about as safe as it gets.
And not everyone will have the same style and not everyone's style will mesh with everyone else's. And hey, if it did, wouldn't that be boring.
That being said we're all adults and responsible for our own behaviour. If someone is dishin it, take a look back to see if something you posted perhaps asked for it. Take some ownership. Nothing wrong with a little debate, I just get annoyed when people start pointing fingers.
Hey it's snowing here, big fluffy flakes...think I'm going to "flake" off for awhile....
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camera hauling, deli packing, stove exploder who bushwhacks ridges to false summits
South West corner of, BC
Canada
1557 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2005 : 10:42 PM
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re: Hikerboy. Those who know him, like him a lot.
'Nuff said.
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Posted - 01/24/2005 : 10:47 PM
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Sardonic sandbagging scoundrel, Cascade Climbers lobotomized spraymeister, space blanket flyer, new millennium vulgarian betaboy and friend to all squids
Climbing, a mountain
Canada
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Posted - 01/24/2005 : 10:51 PM
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I read somewhere (on another site) how the aggressive personality tries to change things to get their own way through challenge and conflict, whereas the passive-aggressive tries to change things through building sympathy with their position as victim. Someone told me I was passive-aggressive because when someone is tailgating me on the highway I drive more slowly rather than speeding up.
Does it apply to this thread? I don't know but my post count keeps going up |
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Vancouver, BC
Canada
1038 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2005 : 10:56 PM
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8+ posts/day and climbing, amigo 
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Mysterious, pop can stove stashin', gps totin', overnighter virgin, wannabe tentmaker and foul weather wuss who rides a thumper to the trailhead with wonderdog Max to hike the Chilliwack Valley
Chwk
Canada
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Posted - 01/24/2005 : 11:20 PM
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Originally posted by forrestgimp
You should post a bigger pic of the kittens. I love kittens. FWIW, it is quite easy to adopt out your adult cats and replace them with cute kittens.
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Acrophobia=An abnormal fear of high places
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Pop can stove-making hiker wannabe that drives a tiddler to trailheads!
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Posted - 01/25/2005 : 02:04 AM
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Originally posted by The Hiker
"...In fact to set the record straight . I did not send Steve any emails at all..."
The Hiker,
While you're in the mood of setting the record straight, you need to correct and retract the falsehood that you've uttered regarding my, and Dcongrav's identities, besmirching and sullying our personae.
You wrote:
"...People ,people, people. You are being conned. Anon E. Moose & Dcongrav are the same person. It would seem he is yanking everyones chain for more attention. Poor sad fellow..."
http://www.clubtread.com/sforum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7732&whichpage=3
Do the right thing.
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Manitoba's misadventurin' bushwhackin', dog sloggin', dehydratin', beer drinkin' biggie - who's eager to peak bag Mt Currie in a dress
Squamish
5048 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2005 : 06:30 AM
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Originally posted by The Hiker
This tells me this isn’t the first time Good ole Steve has stirred it up. It could very well be that this is his pastime. However I will reserve judgment on that for now.
I "know" Steve from a couple other message boards (although I don't presume to know him well personally), one in particular that I have participated on for a couple years, and have never known him to launch an attack on any individual. He makes valid points and is excellent in debate.
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Coffee swillin', wine lovin', Owl fearin' Andie McDowell stunt double, who sports retro gear
Vancouver, BC
5466 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2005 : 07:03 AM
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I think conservation/environmental issues and issues surrounding conflicts between various users of the outdoors are VERY relevant to hiking. (And since it's winter, most people are not hiking, but skiing, snowshoeing, etc. Therefore, most of the posts at this time of year are about skiing, snowshoeing, etc.)
But every time anyone brings up anything remotely related to those topics, they get pounced on by certain members who personally feel that those topics are off-limits. I've never understood it myself.
So far, I've mostly just lurked on the more controversial threads. I mainly come here to look at trip reports, engage in light banter, and see some of the outstanding photography, not to argue with people. There is a lot of talent out there.
In all my lurking, I've never seen anything remotely offensive about sgRant's posts and in fact I hope he continues to post, as his posts are interesting, thoughtful, and well-written.
HB, in contrast, can be quite rude to people if someone dares to post something he doesn't agree with or doesn't want to talk about. |
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Coffee swillin', wine lovin', Owl fearin' Andie McDowell stunt double, who sports retro gear
Vancouver, BC
5466 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2005 : 07:37 AM
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Further to the skiing/butt-sliding issue, I think it's quite reasonable to bring up a concern about people wrecking ski tracks, whether that concern is warranted or not. It's quite possible that it never occurred to snowshoers and butt-sliders that this was even an issue (I didn't know myself, until I read that thread) and this forum serves as a good way to inform people of ways they can make the experience more pleasant for everyone.
I admit I haven't done much winter travelling, although I have done SOME. That is probably why I (and probably LOTS of others) may not be aware of issues like this one.
I certainly don't think skiers have a right to claim the whole trail as their own, but next time I am up snowshoeing and I see ski tracks (where there is enough room to go alongside them rather than over them), having read that thread, I might just think, "I'll be considerate and not tramp all over that ski track, since I can just as easily NOT tramp all over the ski track."
Of course, if it's taking up the whole trail and avoiding it is difficult to impossible, then too damned bad, the skiers will have to live with it.
I see it as somewhat akin to posting (after, say, coming across something nasty right next to a stream while getting your water for the camp), "Please don't shit near that stream. People are drinking out of it." With so many people taking up hiking/backpacking/other outdoor activities, there are bound to be people who are newcomers to the activity, and are totally unaware of certain things we all assume everyone should know. Sure, you could go somewhere more remote, but that doesn't mean people shouldn't try and be considerate of each other in the more heavily-used areas. |
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Posted - 01/25/2005 : 11:32 AM
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Originally posted by The Hiker
Good thing you caught me before going to bed.
Yes a thousand apologies I was wrong!
and I might add you two do make life interesting.
That + sgRant & sandy and we should have almost enough for a good snowball fight.
Now again with all sincerity my apoligies
Russ
Now will guys let me get some sleep 
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Posted - 01/25/2005 : 11:36 AM
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I welcome your thoughts on trail etiquette, and multi-use trail sharing. |
Edited by - Anon E. Moose on 01/25/2005 11:37 AM |
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Trail running, bike hucking, fast packing, beer drinking collector of pine cones on a day pass
AKA
Dances with Trees
Forest Gnome Cabin
Canada
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Posted - 01/25/2005 : 1:15 PM
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Very well explained point of view,SGRantI still say conflicts are inevitable from time to time.Speaking for myself,I've changed my mind about lots of things I thought I had strong opinions on regarding this website and the people and topics posted.Example,I don't necessarily believe the Forrestgimp is a troll,now I think instead that I need to try harder to understand his forms of expression.That's on me,not him,but I digress......
Disagreement is healthy for the betterment of this forum,and given you have been open and honest,I'd be interested in HB's point of view as well.Who knows,it may really just come down to having a bad day or moment.
Your idea regarding removing the post counts merits some discussion.I like the funny custom titles,but the counts don't matter to me.Example,I have over 3000 now,but there are countless individuals on the site I consider far more experienced and credible than I am in regard to outdoor pursuits.I'm glad there are people like Gum,Dru,and SGRant to consult if I'm wondering about a mountain route.If I'm looking to find out something about winter camping,or the Chilliwack Valley,I can talk to BG ,Trail Blaizer,Exscape and others.If I were looking at a long multisport day,I might talk to NS Explorer,or SimonC.HB is definitely our stove guy and knows the Baker area well.Hiking Nut and I can talk about how much beer fits in your pack...Can't mention everyone,but there are so many more people I'm learning from,and I also hope that many more will begin to participate as well....
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Sardonic sandbagging scoundrel, Cascade Climbers lobotomized spraymeister, space blanket flyer, new millennium vulgarian betaboy and friend to all squids
Climbing, a mountain
Canada
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Posted - 01/25/2005 : 1:25 PM
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The way I see it you can post and tell other people how they should act, what style they should post in, etc. or you can try and lead by example and be the most effective proponent of the style you espouse...
I guess that based on my own example I think everyone should be posting more
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 Big pack hiker who sleeps with bears in tent and falls on slippery logs
Langley, BC
Canada
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Posted - 01/25/2005 : 1:54 PM
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I think that it would be good to let this thread end now. As was pointed out, I didn't delete it and I didn't lock it right away. I have been aware of this particular thread since it was first posted and left it as I wanted to see some feedback. Feedback, good or bad, I think is helpful - as long as it is constructive. Normally I only delete threads if they are grossly inappropriate or contain content that I find offensive (that includes spam).
As an aside, please keep in mind that this particular thread spawned from a thread that I had actually previously locked. I had locked the previous thread because I thought that it was getting out of hand and that it was degrading quickly. With this new post, my first reaction was to delete the post. Why? Because it basically continued an online battle that I thought I had locked. In my opinion this new thread completely disregarded my locking of the other thread and I don't appreciate that.
It seems that every year we go through some sort of thing like this. I swear people are getting stir crazy from being inside too much. I don't know whether I believe it or not, but I heard on the news that January 24th of every year is the most depressing for people. Obviously there is more going on here than just a season, but I find it interesting nonetheless.
There has been alot of other feedback mixed within the initial topic post. I think that if we decide to have a feedback session, I would perhaps create another thread to do this. Its unfair to strap all the misc feedback about the forum in general to a thread that is more or less aimed at an individual.
But then, upon closer examination, I wonder if it is necessarily aimed at a person in particular. Let me begin by stating the obvious. Online communities evolve. They evolve the same way as any community does - virtual or otherwise. With an increased population you will have increased diversity and points of view. Some people will present their points of view in a more abrupt manner than others - that is just the difference in personalities. Some people don't even realize they are doing it. A friend of mine, not on CT, will sometimes send emails that he has no idea strike the negative connotations that they do. Something I just have got used to. Some people will get offended more easily than others or are more sensitive to particular topics. Again someone's personality - both the person who wrote it and the person reading it. A comment that is made by one that is no big deal, could be a big deal to someone else, whether it is targetted at them or not. There are numerous examples of this - even in this thread. People who are gifted writers will present things in what appears to be an eloquent, rational and well thought manner. Others may not have the time or ability to do that. It all boils down to different personalities and different experiences.
Like it or not, over time people will want to shape the community into a way that they feel it should be shaped. This will cause conflict - and if people are passionate about something, it will be that much more a controversial type of conflict. There are those that feel that CT should be wide open. Discuss whatever you like. The environment, motorbikes, DVD players, SUV's, social issues, water skiing... maybe even hiking? Is that what we are looking for here? I know some sound ridiculous, but it boils down to how grey the line is.
I have to be honest here. I've stated this numerous times in the past and will note it again. The original intent behind this was to create a hiking site where people shared information about hikes/trails, share their photos, and offered feedback on trails, gear, etc. I may offend some people here by saying that, but I can't change history. While I respect alot of the other topics people wish to put on the site, they don't really interest me. I probably take a more tolerant approach than most in conveying this however. This is one reason why I have created additional forums to allow for this. I know that pretty much any topic can be stretched to fit. But at some point a line needs to be drawn and respected the same way as other people's points of view need to be respected.
I really don't like seeing people fighting on the site. This will likely sound pretty unusual, but it really pains me to see this type of thing happening. I can recall a couple years ago commenting on how well everyone got along, and was actually quite surprised that there were no conflicts. Everyone discussed topics that were of interest to other members of the community. Sure there were a few scraps here and there, but nothing like this. I recall saying how lousy some boards are with all the spam, and mud-slinging, and everything else going on.
At the risk of cutting me of the same cloth so to speak, I will say that HB often does have the best intentions. I know him personally and he isn't the menace to society that is being portrayed here. I will be the first to admit that he doesn't always have the best way of putting things and I can read something and say "what a dick". On a number of occasions I have mentioned to him to tone down and he respectfully changes his post or deletes it. In general I have spoken to him about taking a softer approach with people but to be honest I have actually spoken to alot of members of the site about their behavior on the forum. I have also received all types of complaints that support every side and are complaining about different people. How did I go from Website administrator to camp counsellor??? I'm not sticking up for HB's behavior in particular, but I just want to point out that if you are going to start a thread about control freaks, then I think singling one person out is unfair. It may get the point across, but in the same sense it is just another attack that I need to deal with.
I try to catch these things early on but sometimes they can carry on for a while before I get a chance to lock it. This happened on the other thread. I posted my response and when I saw that the behavior I see as inappropriate persisted, I locked the thread. I cannot be on the site 24x7. Its not my job to be on the site 24x7. Its not a paid position. Its actually a liability. I shell out expenses that go beyond any type of profit that is made on the site. Why keep it running then? Because I have a personal interest in hiking and enjoy the interaction with other members of the hiking community. But remember, interaction of this nature sours it. Not just for me, but for alot of people.
People can be driven from a site for a variety of reasons. Perhaps they felt picked on, perhaps they didn't agree with the direction, perhaps it got too big, perhaps it is too narrow or too broad. I have heard it all. But I have heard more people state to me that they have left the site because of the B.S. than any other reason. They just want to come to a place where people aren't fighting and want to talk about what they are passionate about - hiking. Nothing more, nothing less. That may sound narrow, but trying to sculp a narrow site isn't alot different than someone trying to open one up.
It will be impossible to please everyone. But I think people need to get along in a respectful fashion. Different points of view are a great thing. But if it is reduced to mudslinging, I find it unacceptable. I know HB probably has learned from this thread, but I think that there are others here that also need to think about it. Also, I think there are those that need to remember why some of those people attack your threads - if there is a thread started, keep it on topic. Don't try to twist it to your own agenda. If you want to start a new thread, by all means, no one is stopping you.
This exact same thing just happened on what I consider a sister board. The result was that several users were banned, including the environmentalists. I don't want to see that happen here. I believe we are all mature adults here that will respect each other, and respect the boundaries. Is it possible to get back to the days that I remember where it was a positive encouraging environment?
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