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Dru
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 Posted - 12/08/2010 :  10:54 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by sgRant

The cartoons are Tammy Knight's. She produced a lot of this style, and her name can be seen on the border of the panel. Knowing who she is consistent with a good awareness of SW BC mountaineering history.



You don't get the prize unless you spell Tami's name correctly, though.
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 Posted - 12/08/2010 :  11:28 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Couple tests can be done, however the easiest is as follows:
1. toss the dogs ball into the thinner areas, if dog comes back it could be safe.
2. once thickness is somewhat verified, simply send the dog across the lake first.

mick range
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 Posted - 12/08/2010 :  3:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AcesHigh

Couple tests can be done, however the easiest is as follows:
1. toss the dogs ball into the thinner areas, if dog comes back it could be safe.
2. once thickness is somewhat verified, simply send the dog across the lake first.




What gives,aren't you using your BFK to hack a test hole?

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 Posted - 12/08/2010 :  3:22 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Dru

quote:
Originally posted by Gearhed

And on that note, the mineralized water in Garibaldi is slower to freeze than H2O.



I've read a bunch of hooey in this thread, but this statement takes the cake...



So if I want ice cubes faster I need to go with distilled water?

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 Posted - 12/08/2010 :  7:16 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mick range

quote:
Originally posted by Dru

quote:
Originally posted by Gearhed

And on that note, the mineralized water in Garibaldi is slower to freeze than H2O.



I've read a bunch of hooey in this thread, but this statement takes the cake...



So if I want ice cubes faster I need to go with distilled water?



It is true, water with a high level of dissolved minerals does freeze at a lower temperature (think seawater for the extreme example) but no surface water in coastal BC has any significant mineralization. Rains too much. You have to get some pretty significantly hard water before you can measure the difference, and un-drinkable before you can notice it.
I brew beer using Vancouver water, and I have to add minerals to get good results. Water is too pure! It's kind of good, I can add a different mix to brew different styles. In a hard water area your options are limited, you have to brew a beer compatible with your water analysis. Here I can make any water I want.

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 Posted - 12/08/2010 :  7:39 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Steventy

I wouldn't say that it's not fair. If lakes start by freezing from the outside-in but eventually become thicker in the centre then there will be a period of time when the lake is covered in ice (and the ice may be covered in snow) but it is thicker on the edges than in the middle. It's important because it means that you can't always assume that if it's thick enough on the edge, it will be thick enough all the way across.





I think lakes freeze from the shore out in the early winter and then thaws out from the shore to the centre in the spring.
I would think this is because of the land and its retention of heat.

In the backcountry, if i am unsure about ice thickness (without an auger), i usually look for animals tracks (deer, moose) as most of them are crossing daily so if you see a good trail, i usually assume it is safe. Just be aware that a deer can weigh less than 80 pounds.

wilderness_seeker
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 Posted - 12/08/2010 :  7:39 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by alexcanuck
I brew beer using Vancouver water, and I have to add minerals to get good results. Water is too pure! It's kind of good, I can add a different mix to brew different styles. In a hard water area your options are limited, you have to brew a beer compatible with your water analysis. Here I can make any water I want.



I think you need to hold a CT tasting party so we can see what you mean

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 Posted - 12/08/2010 :  8:05 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks Alex, interesting info

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 Posted - 12/08/2010 :  11:47 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Alas, the climbing community lost Tami to the circus world some years ago.

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 Posted - 12/10/2010 :  08:38 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If there's not so much ice, you could practice walking on water!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe3St1GgoHQ
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