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Vancouver
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Posted - 09/12/2012 : 12:14 AM
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Originally posted by fredrick
I think people over react to some bear "problems" They were just lounging around in someones backyard, like they probably would have eventually just moved on if someone did not make such a big deal about it. It's just wildlife. Live with it.
In Frank's case, one tried to break into an attached garage. I doubt you would be so flippant if you and your family lived on the other side of a flimsy door from the garage. |
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surrey, bc
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Posted - 09/12/2012 : 06:49 AM
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| Wow! I am shocked how many people turn to firearms as a first resort. It is illegal to discharge firearms within city limits. There are many other options suggested and I believe you should exhaust ALL of them before resorting to violence. FrankB said they have chased it away twice. This is not an aggressive bear. It is just looking for food. Hazing it a few times should make it lose interest. |
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Kamloops, BC
Canada
159 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2012 : 08:37 AM
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@ Fredrick - You are totally right, they were just lying there causing no problem in the video.
What you didn't see was them causing 500 dollars in damage to my beehives. Frames scattered everywhere broken to bits. I also came flying out my door to chase the bear away when I saw her destroying my property and 2 cubs came trotting up beside me from beside my house.
Do you know what its like to be caught between a cub and a mother bear? Its not fun dude.
If I had a gun I would have shot the mother then and there regardless of what anyone would think. |
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Not too far from Edmonton, Alberta
Canada
224 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2012 : 09:49 AM
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Originally posted by Saltfactory
@ Fredrick - You are totally right, they were just lying there causing no problem in the video.
What you didn't see was them causing 500 dollars in damage to my beehives. Frames scattered everywhere broken to bits. I also came flying out my door to chase the bear away when I saw her destroying my property and 2 cubs came trotting up beside me from beside my house.
Do you know what its like to be caught between a cub and a mother bear? Its not fun dude.
If I had a gun I would have shot the mother then and there regardless of what anyone would think.
Beehives that are left accessible in bear country - pure genius. Why not plant some fruit trees and leave your compost and garbage out for them too? If you don't want bears in your yard, then ensure that attractants are stored safely, securely, and properly, and that you don't give the bears a reason to be there in the first place.
And by the way, if you see one bear in your yard, then wouldn't it be a smart idea to consider that there may be more than ONE of them around before you come flying outside? Sounds to me like it was your own lack of thought that put you between the bear and her cubs, so I have no idea why you'd feel it necessary to shoot her when YOU were clearly the idiot one making an error here.
Just saying.
(Sorry, but that's all of the "retracting" I'm going to do. See below for more proof that Saltfactory is indeed an idiot, er, sorry, "erroneous" individual.) |
Edited by - Hiking Solo on 09/12/2012 3:46 PM |
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Victoria, BC
Canada
425 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2012 : 11:21 AM
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Bears are the only species besides man that can be both a majestic godly creature worthy of unconditional protection, and an expensive and problematic pest worthy of a lead slug.
Try to make your yard more bear friendly proof, but don't get the impression you have to give up any rights to grow what you wish because of them. If all fails and a bear is harrassing you or your property, call conservation. If that too fails... There is always the good ole' Triple "S"... shoot, shovel, shut up. |
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 Trail blazin', backcountry bushwackin', pine huntin', photo takin', long winded story teller
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Posted - 09/12/2012 : 12:01 PM
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Hope nothing like this happens to your people which happened last year by Lillooet because the authorities would not do anything. If the situation was like they said that by killing these five bears did not effect the bear population in that area then why did they not thin them out or remove them when the lady contacted them instead of after the fact but then who cares she was 72 years old and past her life and when do authorities do anything before it happens when asked by the public in this kind of situation.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/07/03/bc-bear-mauling-lillooet.html
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/bc-woman-suspected-victim-of-bear-attack/article585484/
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/dna-tests-confirm-killer-black-bear-was-among-those-shot-by-conservation-officers/article586933/
I have often considered packing a paintball gun when hiking in certain areas.
They can be purchasd on Graig's List very cheap and the balls are very cheap.
That is the next best thing to rubber bullets which I believe are the most effective.
I have seen conservation officers use them in northern BC at isolated day parks and pull overs where there is a single garbage container.
After a bear has been hit by those they are quick to run when they see a person at any time.
Unfortunately bears need to be scared and feel pain before they will stop a habitual action and that does not always work especially if the same circumstance happens again and the bear does not recieve the same action or no action at all.
For example if a bear raids your garbage and you shoot a paintball at it and it hurts the bear and it leaves but two days later comes around your area and eats a neighbour's garbage and gets away with it then it will not be long before it trys for your's again.
But, if it is given the same reception from the neighbour it will leave the area in most cases. You basically have to become a trainer and teach it to leave your area or it will suffer the consequences. |
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Posted - 09/12/2012 : 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by Hiking Solo
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Originally posted by Saltfactory
@ Fredrick - You are totally right, they were just lying there causing no problem in the video.
What you didn't see was them causing 500 dollars in damage to my beehives. Frames scattered everywhere broken to bits. I also came flying out my door to chase the bear away when I saw her destroying my property and 2 cubs came trotting up beside me from beside my house.
Do you know what its like to be caught between a cub and a mother bear? Its not fun dude.
If I had a gun I would have shot the mother then and there regardless of what anyone would think.
Beehives that are left accessible in bear country - pure genius. Why not plant some fruit trees and leave your compost and garbage out for them too? If you don't want bears in your yard, then ensure that attractants are stored safely, securely, and properly, and that you don't give the bears a reason to be there in the first place.
And by the way, if you see one bear in your yard, then wouldn't it be a smart idea to consider that there may be more than ONE of them around before you come flying outside? Sounds to me like it was your own lack of thought that put you between the bear and her cubs, so I have no idea why you'd feel it necessary to shoot her when YOU were clearly the idiot here.
Just saying.
You should retract part of your comment; let's always keep conversations like this polite and civil and upbeat.
In our case, the District of Squamish supplies us with garbage containers that can be locked (one for recycling and one for normal garbage). We keep both in our enclosed carport behind a standard roll-up garage door. There is also a small work room off the carport where we keep our tools and climbing and camping gear. When the bear came into the carport, he knocked over the garbage containers and when he was unable to get into them, continued on to the tool room; like, he is now right inside my house and could just as easily have picked the kitchen to go into rather than the tool room.
The enclosed carport still allows scents to get out- so a bear would be able to smell the garbage and possible the scents associated with the camping gear, and would therefore have a natural incentive to try and break into the garage. Trouble is, our kitchen is accessible via a door from the carport- so a bear in the garage could just as easily be motivated to break down the kitchen door and ransack our food storage cupboards or even our refrigerator.
Yes, the bear (and it is a VERY big black bear) has so far run away every time we encounter him- but how long will that last? From past experience, I have found they get braver and braver and more persistent if they smell something that interests them.
We've lived in harmony with the bears for many years- I deliberately don't call the authorities because I don't want them to be shot. But there is a line: when a bear has got to the point where he is breaking down my very sturdy garage door, and there is no reason to believe he won't stop there and might in fact break into the kitchen, I get worried. The same bear went into our neighbour's garage- and they have 3 young kids!
So I think it is inevitable that this bear is going to become a serious problem- he is braver than every other bear we've ever had in our yard. I don't think we can wait until he's destroyed our kitchen or, worse, chewed one of the neighbour's kids, before we conclude that he's a problem.
I would prefer they trap Mr. Bear and take him to a new home out in the wilds somewhere- but failing that, I think more drastic measures are needed, sad as that may be. |
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Not too far from Edmonton, Alberta
Canada
224 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2012 : 3:30 PM
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Originally posted by Saltfactory
@ hikingsolo. Keep off my thread you ignorant naive piece of shit. I live in the heart of kamloops you moron, not in bear country.
Perhaps you should learn more about your own city, genius. However, I expect that someone like you wouldn't bother doing something like that, so I've provided some info for you:
http://www.city.kamloops.bc.ca/garbage/bearawarebylaw.shtml
Bear By-law
Bear Sightings
Visit www.bearaware.bc.ca for a map of recent bear sightings.
The Bear Bylaw is in effect from April 1st until November 30th. During that time residents are reminded not to put garbage on the curb before 4 am on collection day and to not accumulate or improperly store bear attractants. Violators are subject to a $100 fine.
We live in bear country and should learn to expect to deal with bears in Kamloops - no matter what part of the city you live in.
Fruit and garbage provide the calories that a bear needs, but it also brings bears close to people. Bears that forage on easily accessible fruit are drawn close to neighbourhoods and to other sources of food such as compost, bird feeders, and barbeques. Bears may break into sheds or homes to find what they can smell from a distance.
Bears quickly become habituated to these foods and spend more time in the city near homes and businesses. Habituated bears are perceived as a safety risk and are shot. We can prevent this safety risk and the needless deaths of bears by removing and managing attractants.
Checklist
•If you have fruit trees on your property, prune and take care of the trees. Pick fruit as it ripens and any fallen fruit. If you won't use the fruit, contact the Kamloops Food Bank Fruit Gleaning Coordinator. Remove any fruit trees that are not productive or tended and replace them with non-fruit bearing trees.
•Rinse your recycling to minimize food odours.
•Clean BBQ grills and grease traps after each use.
•Bring your pet food indoors after feeding your pets.
•Take down any bird feeders between April and November and consider a bird bath as an alternative.
•Always turn compost regularly and use lime to reduce odours.
•Store your garbage in a secure area and freeze any odorous waste until the morning of pick up.
For more information call the Bear Aware Program Delivery Specialist at 250-828-3379 or email at bearaware@kamloops.ca. You can also visit the Bear Aware website at www.bearaware.bc.ca.
You're welcome, sweetie. Hopefully they hit you with the $100 fine for improperly storing a bear attractant. Mwah!
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Powell River, bc
Canada
2537 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2012 : 4:22 PM
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Shauna,I knew there was some reason I liked you!!!!!!!!!! BRAVO!!!!!!
No offense Salt factory,but she is SO right!!! It's EASIER to blame the bears,but it's almost ALWAYS 100% our fault,much like mean dogs,bad teenagers............we create our own problems!!
I'm telling you,the electric fence is your friend,and it's really too bad if it's ugly,go live in a big city where bears are few! |
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1066 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2012 : 4:33 PM
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| That escalated quickly. |
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Popkum, BC
Canada
5887 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2012 : 4:39 PM
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Don't shoot bears people! Take a picture !!! I can (almost) guarantee if you love them around and want to take a picture, they'll run away....the rotters! |
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Kamloops, BC
Canada
159 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2012 : 4:42 PM
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Great Shauna! Thank you very much for the info!
You are so helpful and kind!
If I could some how repay you for your hard work I would.
Instead I will send good vibes your way and wish you well. |
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Not too far from Edmonton, Alberta
Canada
224 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2012 : 5:00 PM
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Originally posted by Saltfactory
Great Shauna! Thank you very much for the info!
You are so helpful and kind!
If I could some how repay you for your hard work I would.
Instead I will send good vibes your way and wish you well.
Okay, even I have to admit that that's a good comeback....I may have even chuckled a little
And thanks, Chris   |
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Kamloops, BC
Canada
159 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2012 : 5:01 PM
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| Fantastic lady. So you're done now? |
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Not too far from Edmonton, Alberta
Canada
224 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2012 : 5:02 PM
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Originally posted by Saltfactory
Fantastic lady. So you're done now?
I'll put the gloves away if you do. |
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Kamloops, BC
Canada
159 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2012 : 5:03 PM
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| Your nuts you know that... I've got better things to do then be insulted by some old lady. Take er easy hey? |
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Not too far from Edmonton, Alberta
Canada
224 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2012 : 5:07 PM
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Originally posted by Saltfactory
Your nuts you know that... I've got better things to do then be insulted by some old lady. Take er easy hey?
Hahaha, okay, whatever, young'un. Try not to go gettin' your diapers in a bunch again, ya hear?
(And here I thought the rednecks were only in Alberta, LoL ) |
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Powell River, bc
Canada
2537 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2012 : 5:24 PM
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Shauna is still jailbait!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMFAO!!!
No but really,she's a pup too :) |
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Powell River, bc
Canada
2537 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2012 : 6:03 PM
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Just to clarify my position,BEFORE someone calls me an old lady.........though I will be 50 in March,I swear I was 16 two weeks ago lol!!
Simon,I think what happened to you sucks,and I'm sure it was scary as hell to realize you were between mama and cubs! It also sucks that they ripped apart your bee hives,god knows we need all the healthy bees we can get!!
I was aplauding the fact that Shauna had the balls to say what I didn't. It IS our fault,and when I say our,I mean "we" the people. We have encroached on their homes,made them garbage bears,opportunist who will take advantage of any "free" or "easy" food. WE created the whole situation. WE are the ones with the out of control growth rate,not the bears.
I wish that laws could be changed,and trained Karelian bear dogs could be used in this province!!
I might not have said it in such a harsh way...........I tried to just suggest the electric fence to FrankB,but it got uglier and uglier with the "shoot it" thing :(
Anyways,I think it's "our" fault,almost 100% of the time.
Glad you weren't hurt,and glad the bears weren't either..........this time :(
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