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 Kootenay Bud
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Posted - 07/16/2012 : 4:37 PM
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Originally posted by splitboarder
you're really plan to be an "old and bold" kinda mountaineer? Good luck with that.
"old and bold" hiker maybe, but I've yet to see any mountaineering. |
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Trail running, bike hucking, fast packing, beer drinking collector of pine cones on a day pass
AKA
Dances with Trees
Forest Gnome Cabin
Canada
13035 Posts |
Posted - 07/16/2012 : 4:39 PM
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Where does it say that you can't have an epic day in the alpine without standing below huge blocks of ice that will crush your ass like Wile E.Coyote? And the whole "I'm always moving so I stand a better chance of avoiding whatever's coming at me" is ludicrous-you might move right into the obstacle. However, taking on these risks solo is your choice, but in no way should anyone interpret your actions as living life to the fullest. Straight up, maybe you are taking these risks because you don't really have the guts to tough it out on this planet, and, if you have family, you clearly don't seem to believe in sparing them the ordeal they'd go through if the outcome were bad.
Staring life in the eye and living with real courage means....
A) Enjoying life's pursuits by trying to mitigate risk as much as possible
B) Never, ever, putting anyone else in the line of fire, whether friends, girlfriends, SAR members, or those who might emulate your exploits
C) Using your physical skills, which I feel are considerable, in conjunction with your mental skills, which I think have great potential, to become a better mountaineer
That said, I love your enthusiasm for wild places and your obvious love of athletic pursuits. I doubt I'll comment too much more on the topic, but I like having you around Tread and I'd hate to see you become the Timothy Treadwell of glacier travel. Peace out, bro' |
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 | LeeL
Advanced Member
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Extreme ski tourin, mountain bikin addict who hikes at least once a year
2506 Posts |
Posted - 07/16/2012 : 5:24 PM
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Originally posted by ubishops
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Originally posted by LeeL
I don't know the stats offhand but don't let that stop you from being the first one!
Hmm... well since I'm an organ donor maybe the ice will preserve at least some of my organs, well at least the ones that aren't crushed. Well, not all goes to waste - there's still a life insurance policy worth $200,000 for World Wildlife Fund so at least some good comes out of it. Was thinking of maybe dividing that up so $100,000 goes to BC Provincial Parks (much needed) :) Hopefully one life saved - not a bad return for an epic day in the Alpine ;)
Earlier in my skiing/mountaineering "career" I had a friend like you who often explained to me after he had a healthy dose of shrooms how he expected to die in the mountains and welcomed it. He would climb up right below monster cornices or seracs or big ass slopes and then transition in the middle of them.
He kept pushing the envelope further and further and our paths diverged as i stuck around in BC while he trotted the globe. Rather boringly he's now calmed down somewhat and has a little kid and is happily married. He never did have money for life insurance so props to you. |
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vancouver, bc
Canada
987 Posts |
Posted - 07/16/2012 : 7:27 PM
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Originally posted by sandy
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Originally posted by splitboarder
you're really plan to be an "old and bold" kinda mountaineer? Good luck with that.
"old and bold" hiker maybe, but I've yet to see any mountaineering.
yes fair enough, meant in the sense that he sure does have an affinity for glaciers, but mountaineer is surely too much credit.
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Squamish, British Columbia
Canada
1007 Posts |
Posted - 07/16/2012 : 7:34 PM
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Much appreciated the conditions update is.
*grabs popcorn*
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the mountain parks, Alberta
Canada
102 Posts |
Posted - 07/16/2012 : 7:59 PM
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This man is surely no mountaineer. It's a long time established "procedure" and very well known that you move quickly through active sercac areas, there is a reason for this and it is followed by people alot more experienced and knowledgable than yourself, world class athlete mountaineers and guides included. I'm not a procedure or follow rules sort of guy however in this case the reasoning to back it up all the time is as solid as it gets. So, you seem to like to think you know how to manage risks better than all of these people. Certainly no one in their right mind faffs around looking up at seracs to take photos....it's actually quite silly.
- it is impossible to know when a serac will fall off.
- it is impossible to know how large the piece will be.
- it is a huge assumption to think you can jump out of the way bordering on moronic actually.
- the seracs at Joffre Lakes are active and fall regularly.
- the more often you hang out under seracs, the higher your chances of getting crushed.
- you increase your chances by moving around and stopping for any period of time (photos).
- and there are 2 targets as opposed to just you increasing your chances even more.
- ground cover is smooth under the seracs.
- the photo that was copied and reposted shows water running under the greatly overhanging detached blocks of ice (lube)
- people have died from these seracs in the past.
Smart individuals and people with good mountain sense minimize their exposure to objective hazards. You on the other hand increase your exposure to objective hazard. Many people have pointed this out, however your ego and defensive attitude is not allowing you learn anything from this. People like you rationalize and justify any judgemental errors in a manner where you can't possibly be wrong. You have nothing to learn and will stagnate in your current state of knowledge and are the same type of person to lead others in to dangerous situations and will take offense to any one that questions you.
I have no problem if you kill yourself doing some thing foolish, but hopefully your friend reads this along with anyone else that goes in to this area or joins you on future trips.
I have also been to Joffre lakes several times, and on each and every trip I have seen several blocks collapse from that area. Not a single one could you have jumped to the side of. Shame on you for continually ignoring any learning possibilities. |
Edited by - skibum101 on 07/16/2012 8:01 PM |
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Vancouver, BC
Canada
2659 Posts |
Posted - 07/16/2012 : 8:09 PM
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Originally posted by leimrod
Much appreciated the conditions update is.
*grabs popcorn*
Dammit, now I want popcorn 
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the mountain parks, Alberta
Canada
102 Posts |
Posted - 07/16/2012 : 8:31 PM
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I can see that you have been there quite a few times over the past year, and you have photos posted from being under them each time. You have no IDEA of the risks involved and you have exponentially increased your hazard exposure well beyond the useless stats you have thrown out.
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Well I guess then the risk is = 0 or close to it, since for those that know me, know I'm always moving. The photos that were taken I'm moving all the time other than the odd photo that I took which lasted maybe 5 seconds
Going to call you out on this as you are slightly misrepresenting this.
In this trip report http://www.clubtread.com/sforum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=40424 you were solo therefore took the time to set the camera up on a timer to get this
In a seperate tr you don't seem to be in any rush
Another seperate trip report
going straight up the slope and back down is equal to not moving
Seperate tr once again your above comment does not apply
ect ect ect ect ect ect.... the excuse that you used which I have quoted is no longer valid and inarguable. It proves that you are willing to twist and contort the facts to avoid taking personal responsibility of making poor choices.
I have said nothing insulting, and have no negative intentions towards you personally. I would like these posts to stay "on the record". It serves to discourage others, and also to hold you personally responsible for your "leading" of others in to these situations. Who knows??? Perhaps the intentions of your repeated visits to this spot are some what sinister in nature..that's just a wild guess though and this is not really my opinion but I could see how some one would think this given the grossly negligent manner in which you approach this area. Should some one be injured or killed while under your leadership I hope you are held personally responsible by their family and the courts. I would have never said this had you not been so passive and stubborn on the matter.
- Mark
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| LeeL
Advanced Member
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Extreme ski tourin, mountain bikin addict who hikes at least once a year
2506 Posts |
Posted - 07/16/2012 : 9:10 PM
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| whoa - popcorn got cold reading that. |
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831 Posts |
Posted - 07/16/2012 : 9:11 PM
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Honestly ubishops, a lot of people have expressed concern here, and I think you should appreciate that. Rather than taking it personally, why not look at it as an opportunity to learn something and re-evaluate your own stance.
You once said on this forum: "I have no ego". Do you really believe that? |
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the mountain parks, Alberta
Canada
102 Posts |
Posted - 07/16/2012 : 9:13 PM
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Originally posted by LeeL
whoa - popcorn got cold reading that.
Just add hotsauce and parmesan cheese. Not to worry though that's all I had. |
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Popkum, BC
Canada
5887 Posts |
Posted - 07/16/2012 : 9:28 PM
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No worries Robert Conrad; CT feels the need to protect. That's why I love CT with all it's flavours. Nice photos btw  . |
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canine loving, machete-toting bushwhacking lake seeker, Indiana Jones hat-wearing off-road 4x4 guru
Surrey Hole, BC
Canada
6770 Posts |
Posted - 07/16/2012 : 9:49 PM
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Originally posted by LeeL
whoa - popcorn got cold reading that.
its re microwavable, just like serracs.
Yous just never know when its done, until you actually try it in person. |
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Vancouver, BC
Canada
343 Posts |
Posted - 07/16/2012 : 10:00 PM
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Originally posted by ubishops
So what, I see thousands of cars on the road every day. It doesn't mean that if I cross the street I'm going to get hit by one.
A car is driven by someone who is (usually) actively trying to avoid hitting people, which is not the same as a cold merciless block of ice accelerating without warning due to gravity. The comparison is ansolutely ludicrous.
Give all the divers blindfolds, tape the gas pedals to the floor, and THEN cross the street again. |
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Trail running, bike hucking, fast packing, beer drinking collector of pine cones on a day pass
AKA
Dances with Trees
Forest Gnome Cabin
Canada
13035 Posts |
Posted - 07/16/2012 : 10:08 PM
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Originally posted by timv
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Originally posted by ubishops
So what, I see thousands of cars on the road every day. It doesn't mean that if I cross the street I'm going to get hit by one.
A car is driven by someone who is (usually) actively trying to avoid hitting people, which is not the same as a cold merciless block of ice accelerating without warning due to gravity. The comparison is ansolutely ludicrous.
Give all the divers blindfolds, tape the gas pedals to the floor, and THEN cross the street again.
Did you grow up in Montreal too? :p |
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North Vancouver
Canada
745 Posts |
Posted - 07/16/2012 : 11:38 PM
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| I like Mick's Timothy Treadwell analogy. I think it is appropriate. For me, one of the biggest tragedies in the Timothy saga was Timothy's contribution to the death of his girlfriend, Amie Huguenard. Amie's fate should give Ubishops and Seonah some pause for reflection... |
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Richmond, BC
Canada
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Posted - 07/17/2012 : 08:36 AM
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Wow what a public lashing!!
There's too many of us on this planet anyway, don't know why ppl care so much about the dangers others embark on ... let the Darwinian way take it's course.
These forums are quite something ... good chuckles ;) |
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Vancouver, BC
Canada
874 Posts |
Posted - 07/17/2012 : 08:54 AM
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For Christsakes UBishops: Stop posting reports like these!
You are driving the blood pressure of the Clubtread Granny Collective through the roof. Think of the hazard - some of these guys are getting older. Do you really want their next stroke to be on your conscience? |
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Satirical photoshop junkie who frolics in the mountains of the Chilliwack River Valley
Chilliwack, BC
Canada
6905 Posts |
Posted - 07/17/2012 : 09:23 AM
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| And this guy also leads trip with Wanderung??? I'm sure he takes his flagrant disregard for risk assessment wherever he goes and whoever happens to be under his leadership. This guy's a lawsuit waiting to happen. |
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the mountain parks, Alberta
Canada
102 Posts |
Posted - 07/17/2012 : 09:23 AM
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| Well, looks like his ego got the best of him on this one. Rather than learn anything he took the low road. I really hope the people who rely on him as a trip leader read this thread. |
Edited by - skibum101 on 07/17/2012 10:11 AM |
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Joffre Glacier - July 14