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Posted - 05/09/2012 : 07:28 AM
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Question for those who are in the know. In the National parks..Jasper Banff.. On trails
where bikes are NOT allowed..Can one pull / push a wheeled cart or any type of wheeled device ?
Thanks in advance for your answers ! |
Edited by - McLeod99 on 05/09/2012 07:41 AM
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Posted - 05/09/2012 : 08:47 AM
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Good question, in Prov Parks I've seen a few wheeled carts and baby strollers and wheelbarrows and canoe-dollies[ just load up & fill the canoe with goods  .
With the cut-back in Nat.Park staffings, maybe no-one's looking now. |
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Salmon Arm, BC
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Posted - 05/15/2012 : 11:57 AM
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| I can't see why not. |
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ALBANY, OR
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Posted - 05/15/2012 : 1:38 PM
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| At least in the US, the distinction is whether the "wheels" are being used as a means of conveyance for your person. So, if you have a pushcart with gear or a portage cart with boat, that's not conveyance, bicycle,tricycle, unicycle, segway, etc. But, for every generalization there is probably an exception so it probably pays to ask first whenever possible. |
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Posted - 05/15/2012 : 11:38 PM
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Wheeled backpacks make infinite sense IMO. These would satisfy the non-conveyance requirement:
   
Notice the very clever design that allows the wheels to be moved inboard to reduce the track width to traverse very narrow single-track.
A wheeled pack is ideal for long slogging road approaches. Too many people burden themselves with monstrously heavy packs which crush their spine, stress, stretch, and tear their joints and ligments. If they only knew they could spare their body such punishment.
Hopefully, Parks officials would not object. |
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Salmon Arm, BC
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Posted - 05/16/2012 : 09:37 AM
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Hmmm, quite a fascinating concept. We all know we can pull much more weight than we can lift, and it would greatly reduce the effort to move the same weight. I also notice the waist belt that is used to take most of the weight off the arms while pulling (and frees them up for poles or camera).
No doubt there'd be some extra weight, what with the larger frame and wheels.
Maybe an ideal outfit for canoe portages etc. Still, I don't ever envision myself backpacking like this! |
Edited by - pmjwright on 05/16/2012 09:39 AM |
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Posted - 05/16/2012 : 10:38 AM
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| That would really work well on maintained trails! Not so good on the rocky rooty washed out straight up and down trails so common in coastal BC, but on anything that gets minimal maintenance it would be great. I like. |
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 | LeeL
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Extreme ski tourin, mountain bikin addict who hikes at least once a year
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Posted - 05/16/2012 : 10:54 AM
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| tzoflier manufactures wheeled carts. Please provide proof that you have no commercial association with wheeled carts and that you are not sponsored by wheeled carts manufacturers. Your silence on this issue indicates that you are either employed by, own or sponsored by the wheeled cart industry. |
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red deer, alberta
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Posted - 05/16/2012 : 12:14 PM
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I was kinda intrigued by the concept as well at first glance.
tzoflier was nice enough to leave enough of a clue  to find the manufactuer.
But if you watch the video on the site, You'll notice the girl pulling the cart and her hip action is making the cart twist on every step. I would bet it would be very tiring and ALOT of blisters using this for an actual backcountry trail trip.
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Penhold, Alberta
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Posted - 05/16/2012 : 6:56 PM
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On an old fire road or very well maintained trail this contraption might be handy for that extra 24 of beer but can you see using this along the Rockwall or Berg Lake trails? I doubt it,lol.
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Hope, BC
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Posted - 05/16/2012 : 7:03 PM
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| I can only see it good for one thing, kids delivering newspapers, and a toy wagon is even easier to pull than that one handed. |
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East Vancouver, BC
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Posted - 05/16/2012 : 7:36 PM
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A friend and I tried out a prototype of something like this over a three day period (Not tzoflier's version though)
On flat, it was pleasant, but terrible for even small hills, obstacles etc. I'd have a hard time thinking of any trails I've done where I'd want it. Better, I think, just to travel light with a standard backpack setup.
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Posted - 05/16/2012 : 11:53 PM
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Just my .02
We bumped into a gentleman from Seattle that had made a unit like the monowalker. I believe it was on the rubble creek trail. And the guy mentioned that the US parks had heard about his contraption and hunted him down. So they could give him a ticket for a bike or something. He then started hiking in BC and I believe that is what McLeod99 question is pointed towards.
I can't remember the guys webpage
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Posted - 05/17/2012 : 06:54 AM
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www.monowalker.com Only Euro 980, so very affordable.
     
Notable feature: Avid BB7 disc brake which can be engaged as a drag brake when descending so your trailing heavy load won't push you over.
While a single wheel cart has much greater maneuverability than a two-wheel one, especially on sidehills, there may be greater energy expenditure on flatter terrain constantly trying to balance a swaying load.
MONOWALKER - Hikingtrailer
Technical information
Material: Wood, ash tree- bent with steam and sealed with spar vanish
Weight: 7 kg/ 15.5 lb
Payload: 45 kg/ 100 lb
Drawbar: wood ash tree- bent with steam and ergonomically designed
Load bearing system: hip belt and padded shoulder belt, compatible with BACH backpack child carrier Billy the Kid
Tire: Schwalbe MoeJoe
Brakes: Disk brake Avid BB7
Upgrade: Can be reconstructed as backpack or bicycle trailer
Set- up time: 5 min.
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Who is the MONOWALKER made for?
• Hikers - who want to hike without weight on shoulders and who appreciate adventures in nature.
• Climbers - who want to bring equipment to the base camp, in order to start the tour from there
• Photographers that want to carry the equipment for outdoor purposes/ or a tent
• Parents/ Dads that want to camp with their kids but who would have too much to carry for 2-4 people- even a child carrier for kids that is usually carried on the back can be connected with the use of the hip belt
• Women that cannot carry much weight on their back.
• Youth group leader - who need to carry their personal things plus group equipment
• Disaster Control which needs to carry heavy equipment on impassable trails, and where vehicles are of no good use
• Scientists in nature who need to carry equipment on narrow trails
• Hunters that need to pull animals out of the woods .
The MONOWALKER trailer makes you enjoy hiking even more and the outdoor adventure becomes a real pleasure.
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Edited by - tzoflier on 05/17/2012 07:01 AM |
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Posted - 05/18/2012 : 11:07 AM
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Is this the same guy who's turned up on other sites, who got warned by the US parks not to use his new invention?
So now he's going to try to market it here? Better check with Parks Canada and the provincial offices first.
General policies here:
http://www.pc.gc.ca/progs/np-pn/dav-vag/dav-vag01.aspx
I could see the single wheel version, but I think even that would be more of a nuisance than anything else on any real trail. How are you going to get through a boulder field, or up a rooted path through dense bush?
And if you already have a 25-45 lb pack, why would you want to add an extra 10-20 lbs that you might have to lug up some of the steeper sections anyway? |
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Posted - 06/25/2012 : 8:01 PM
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came across this..
http://arrowheadequipment.webs.com/apps/webstore/products/show/971844
Dixon Roller Packs
The Dixon Roller Pack is a revolutionary pack design that splits the load between the user and the pack's single track wheel. The unique design of the Dixon Roller Pack creates a more even load distribution that splits the weight of the load between the hiker and the wheel. This means a hiker with 30 pounds of gear only has to bear the weight of 15 pounds. As well this reduces trail wear and tear, reducing the hiker's impact on the wilderness. With a waist belt and shoulder harness the Roller Pack can be transformed from a pull behind travois/pulk into a external frame pack in a matter of moments. The 50 Pound Roller Pack includes a 3500 cubic inch pack bag and free shipping any where in the lower 48. For HI, AK or out of the US orders please email us for a shipping quote before you place your order.
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Vancouver, British Columbia
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Posted - 06/26/2012 : 5:34 PM
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I think I'd be embarrassed to have one of those. It just looks ridiculously lazy, taking into account people have been carrying everything on their shoulders forever. Thinking about 'forever', I suppose it's just 'technological advancement' and perhaps the pioneers of mountaineering could then look at modern gear ( lightweight, compact everything ) and call us lazy.
For me, it still shouts "lazy!" As much as those people at the airport who absolutely cannot carry their suitcase anywhere and must therefore use only routes that will accommodate their wheels.
Ask me again, I guess, in 40 years. If these contraptions add 5 years to my hiking life I suppose I'd have a different opinion.
( Not to offend anyone. Mostly disappointed with seeing it because I believe it could entice rowdy, lawn chair and stereo-haulin' people into the backcountry ) |
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Posted - 06/26/2012 : 6:23 PM
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We had a Chariot bike trailer, in the single-child narrow version. Set up in the 3-wheel "jogger" configuration it was very useful for transporting an infant and/or gear on trails such as Buckhorn Camp in Manning Park. It worked well enough there that it would have been ok for rougher and longer trails. Hopeless for bushwhacking or the WCT, of course.
What if someone had a physical disability such that they could "backpack" with a wheeled device, but not carry a pack on their back? Surely that should be ok. And if not, why do park officials have no problem with Trailriders used by people with severe immobility to travel on trails? |
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the mountain parks, Alberta
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Posted - 06/26/2012 : 6:43 PM
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The Dixon Roller Pack is a revolutionary pack design that splits the load between the user and the pack's single track wheel. The unique design of the Dixon Roller Pack creates a more even load distribution that splits the weight of the load between the hiker and the wheel. This means a hiker with 30 pounds of gear only has to bear the weight of 15 pounds. As well this reduces trail wear and tear, reducing the hiker's impact on the wilderness. With a waist belt and shoulder harness the Roller Pack can be transformed from a pull behind travois/pulk into a external frame pack in a matter of moments. The 50 Pound Roller Pack includes a 3500 cubic inch pack bag and free shipping any where in the lower 48. For HI, AK or out of the US orders please email us for a shipping quote before you place your order
So...this thing weighs in at 50lbs, but splits the load 50/50. If I were carrying 30lbs, I would put it on the 50lbs device in which the 50/50 split makes me carry 10 lbs more than without?? For sections where you have to carry it over a boulder field or something then it's 80 lbs??? Not very well worded in the marketing and if the weight of the thing is accounted for in that split then they should clarify, and that doesn't change parts where you have to carry it. Not for me thanks. |
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Trail running, bike hucking, fast packing, beer drinking collector of pine cones on a day pass
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Dances with Trees
Forest Gnome Cabin
Canada
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Posted - 06/26/2012 : 8:50 PM
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Originally posted by LeeL
tzoflier manufactures wheeled carts. Please provide proof that you have no commercial association with wheeled carts and that you are not sponsored by wheeled carts manufacturers. Your silence on this issue indicates that you are either employed by, own or sponsored by the wheeled cart industry.
So THAT'S what a Tzoflier is
Tzoflier, Radio Flyer, hmmmmm |
Edited by - mick range on 06/26/2012 8:53 PM |
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Langley, BC
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Posted - 06/26/2012 : 9:44 PM
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| When going uphill it will pull you backwards uncomfortably, and when downhill it will constantly be pushing you forwards. Sounds kind of clumsy. If you can't carry the gear on your back then maybe you need to learn to pack. I just don't see how this could possibly either increase rate of travel or decrease exertion required to cover a given distance in a given amount of time. |
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No bikes but are wheeled carts allowed ?
