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boardwalker
Junior Member


Victoria, British Columbia
Canada

111 Posts

 Posted - 03/28/2012 :  10:02 PM  Show Profile  Reply to this posting
Looking for info regarding the WCT at the bamfield end. have 3 days to do a in and out trip to the first camp which is michigan creek if I am correct, If caught hiking the wct in april, is there fines, do you get booted out, what happens? is there any camp spots say half way to michigan camp from Trailhead, any additional info on this topic would be appreciated. cheers

boardwalker

Steventy
Advanced Member



2031 Posts

 Posted - 03/28/2012 :  10:10 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The official answers to your questions are fairly easy to find. I don't know about the unofficial answers.
http://www.pc.gc.ca/pn-np/bc/pacificrim/activ/activ6a/v.aspx
http://orc.ncf.ca/diary/2007/WCT_MAP_DETAIL.pdf

seboyle
Junior Member


Squamish, BC
Canada

256 Posts

 Posted - 03/28/2012 :  10:30 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I much preferred Darling River to Michigan when I did the trail last year. But that was partly due the amount of people camping at Michigan which is not a problem I'd imagine you will encounter.

There is no campsite before Michigan if I recall correctly.

Here's a possibly useful thread for you:
http://www.clubtread.com/sforum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=42721

I don't think there'd be many people around to stop you or fine you or send you back or whatever.

However, I may be wrong but I'm fairly sure I remember reading somewhere about the cost of evacuation should you have a problem on the trial outside of the official hiking season (because you won't have paid the fees?) I don't know if that's correct but I would say it's worth looking it up if you can.

FamilyGuy
Senior Member



1196 Posts

 Posted - 03/29/2012 :  1:42 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You say you have 3 days? I would head to Tsusiat Falls if you can.

boardwalker
Junior Member


Victoria, British Columbia
Canada

111 Posts

 Posted - 03/29/2012 :  3:21 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Tsusiat falls would be ideal, from what I remember the trail is fairly flat from the Pachena trailhead towards the falls is it not? its been a while since I hiked the WCT, how long to tsusiat falls time wise? and trail difficulty? thanks for the info treaders.

FamilyGuy
Senior Member



1196 Posts

 Posted - 03/29/2012 :  10:01 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You are about 25K to Tsusiat but the distance once past Michigan can be (at least a lot of it can be) done on the tidal shelf if the tides cooperate. You could probably get a 4km an hour average without much issue but still moving at a decent pace.

joker
Junior Member


Brentwood Bay, BC
266 Posts

 Posted - 03/29/2012 :  11:57 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Maybe a camp into one of those 1st campsites then a day trip to the falls and back to camp would be a good option... sounds like a fun two nighter too me... now I want to do it. so many trips, so little time.

4byfourbyeIV
Starting Member


It's not a city yet!!, BC
Canada

30 Posts

 Posted - 04/14/2012 :  09:22 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I've never done that trail for a few reasons: Long reservation times, $185/person, no dogs allowed, the Juan De Fuca Trail is just south and has none of these limitations.

FamilyGuy
Senior Member



1196 Posts

 Posted - 04/14/2012 :  3:29 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 4byfourbyeIV

I've never done that trail for a few reasons: Long reservation times, $185/person, no dogs allowed, the Juan De Fuca Trail is just south and has none of these limitations.



Reservations only needed during parts of the season. Thank God there are no dogs allowed (how would you expect them to get over the ladder systems?). The limitations means that there are people dedicated to the experience - it can be far less crowded. The WCT is also much more of a physical challenge which some need.

sgRant
Advanced Member


Vancouver
2441 Posts

 Posted - 04/14/2012 :  5:03 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I agree with the view that it's too costly to hike the WCT. But you probably only need reservations if you have a large group starting on a weekend in August. I doubt a party of 1 or 2 would need a reservation anytime.

smac
Senior Member


north van, bc
Canada

1050 Posts

 Posted - 04/14/2012 :  6:46 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 4byfourbyeIV

I've never done that trail for a few reasons: Long reservation times, $185/person, no dogs allowed, the Juan De Fuca Trail is just south and has none of these limitations.



the juan de fuca has volley ball nets, full size bbqs, people walking down the beach carrying coolers and 24 packs of beer. this is what I experanced when I did it. as a bunch of the sites you can drive into.

smac
Senior Member


north van, bc
Canada

1050 Posts

 Posted - 04/14/2012 :  6:49 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I would be more worried about the car, then camping. not sure I would leave it parked in the "closed" lot for 3 days. it might be towed? otherwise once you hiked in nobody would probably know or notice. getting droped off would probbaly be best

also the res fees are nothing. $15-20? you still pay the trail fees durring season if you just show up. not a big cost savings.

4byfourbyeIV
Starting Member


It's not a city yet!!, BC
Canada

30 Posts

 Posted - 04/18/2012 :  10:25 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by smac

the juan de fuca has volley ball nets, full size bbqs, people walking down the beach carrying coolers and 24 packs of beer. this is what I experanced when I did it. as a bunch of the sites you can drive into.



If that's all you saw on the Juan De Fuca, then you never hiked it. You parked at Sombrio or China Beach. I may not be an expert hiker, but in my opinion, this trail was hard. 50 km from end to end, and very few other people EXCEPT at the few spots you pass that you could drive to. Many parts were from the beach, up switchbacks for 500feet, flat for 20 feet, then back down to the beach only to go straight back up again. On one stretch, this went on for 13km. Others weren't much shorter.

And in mid-trail, there is only one spot you see people who drove there. Sombrio Beach. You cannot access Mystic Beach, Bear Beach, Chin Beach, Kuitshe Creek, Or Payzant Creek Campsites unless you hike there.

Like I said, I'm no pro. But this was hard enough for me. Because of this trail, my wife is calling it quits on the hiking....

4byfourbyeIV
Starting Member


It's not a city yet!!, BC
Canada

30 Posts

 Posted - 04/18/2012 :  10:41 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by FamilyGuy

Reservations only needed during parts of the season.


These are the times I would likely have to go since I have a hard time finding people to go with anytime other than mid summer.

quote:
Originally posted by FamilyGuyThank God there are no dogs allowed (how would you expect them to get over the ladder systems?).


Are you sure there are still ladder systems? Everyone I know says most of them have been replaced by stairs?

quote:
Originally posted by FamilyGuyThe limitations means that there are people dedicated to the experience - it can be far less crowded.


It was My understanding that the limitations were put in place due to it being far too crowded. I Don't mean to sound rude, but what exactly is the "experience" they are dedicated to?



quote:
Originally posted by FamilyGuy The WCT is also much more of a physical challenge which some need.


Could you please give me a comparison? Do you think the terrain there is that much harder that the trail just south? Everyone's pictures I've seen show basically the same thing as Juan De Fuca. Just longer...with more flat beach...


Edited by - 4byfourbyeIV on 04/18/2012 10:46 PM

seboyle
Junior Member


Squamish, BC
Canada

256 Posts

 Posted - 04/18/2012 :  11:50 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My personal opinion?

I actually thought the JDF was harder. I found the WCT to be much flatter in general (with the obvious exception of the ladders - which I really didn't mind) with more people in June than I saw on the JDF in September. The up and down you mention on the JDF was pretty muddy when I did it and the weather was much wetter. I was also toting a much heavier pack which of course made all the difference. Due to these factors I'm not really comparing apples with apples but just saying what it was like for me.

However, to say the WCT is "basically the same" is not what I experienced, I found them quite different experiences. The JDF seemed to be close to the sea but it didn't always seem like a coastal walk if that makes sense. The views were never quite what I imagined they would be, certainly nowhere near what the WCT gives you. The beach walking on the JDF was hard (Bear Beach I remember as just a slog over slippery awkward sized rocks) whereas the WCT beaches I found really enjoyable, lots of them were sandy and there was always something interesting to look at, rock pools and stuff. The views and the beauty were quite different for me, as were the campsites, with the WCT 'winning' on all three counts.

Overall I came off the WCT loving it and thinking it was one of the best things I'd ever done and wanting to turn around and do it again. I've had serious thoughts about seeing if I could go back this year (did it last year). The JDF was nice but I don't feel a huge desire to go back. I will but I'm not in any hurry to do so. That says everything to me. I would say go if you get the chance, I doubt you'd be that disappointed.

sgRant
Advanced Member


Vancouver
2441 Posts

 Posted - 04/19/2012 :  3:51 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by smac

also the res fees are nothing. $15-20? you still pay the trail fees durring season if you just show up. not a big cost savings.



Whenever I mention that the reservation fees are usually just a waste of money, someone invariably responds with this position.

The flip side of the reservation fee being a small increment on the cost of hiking the WCT, is that the reservation cost could be the difference between some people being able to afford it or not.

And as I always add, it's fine with me if people want to pay voluntary taxes. I just don't think it's right for Parks Canada to maintain the fiction that reservations are essential. The same goes for Bowron Lakes.

monkeyboy
Junior Member


vancouver island, b.c.
Canada

404 Posts

 Posted - 04/20/2012 :  12:54 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
sgRant Posted - 04/19/2012 : 3:51 PM
quote:
Originally posted by smac

also the res fees are nothing. $15-20? you still pay the trail fees durring season if you just show up. not a big cost savings.


Whenever I mention that the reservation fees are usually just a waste of money, someone invariably responds with this position.

The flip side of the reservation fee being a small increment on the cost of hiking the WCT, is that the reservation cost could be the difference between some people being able to afford it or not.

And as I always add, it's fine with me if people want to pay voluntary taxes. I just don't think it's right for Parks Canada to maintain the fiction that reservations are essential. The same goes for Bowron Lakes.


Here Here! I must agree, too much fleecing by our parks system. This has to end. Do our taxes we already pay not go towards our parks already? Should the parks dept. not petition the Feds and the provinces for further funding rather than fleece the public once again as a simpler solution and pass it off to us as "necessary"? This robbery has to stop! I refuse to pay any more for the use of my own parks and have not for years now. there is always a way around it if you are just a little crafty. Let's all get a little "crafty" and forget these thefts, oops, I mean fees.

sgRant
Advanced Member


Vancouver
2441 Posts

 Posted - 04/20/2012 :  3:52 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by monkeyboy

quote:
sgRant Posted - 04/19/2012 : 3:51 PM
quote:
Originally posted by smac

also the res fees are nothing. $15-20? you still pay the trail fees durring season if you just show up. not a big cost savings.


Whenever I mention that the reservation fees are usually just a waste of money, someone invariably responds with this position.

The flip side of the reservation fee being a small increment on the cost of hiking the WCT, is that the reservation cost could be the difference between some people being able to afford it or not.

And as I always add, it's fine with me if people want to pay voluntary taxes. I just don't think it's right for Parks Canada to maintain the fiction that reservations are essential. The same goes for Bowron Lakes.


Here Here! I must agree, too much fleecing by our parks system. This has to end. Do our taxes we already pay not go towards our parks already? Should the parks dept. not petition the Feds and the provinces for further funding rather than fleece the public once again as a simpler solution and pass it off to us as "necessary"? This robbery has to stop! I refuse to pay any more for the use of my own parks and have not for years now. there is always a way around it if you are just a little crafty. Let's all get a little "crafty" and forget these thefts, oops, I mean fees.



Just for the sake of discussion, I readily agree we shouldn't have to pay to visit our parks in the sense that in general parks are part of what our taxes pay for.

But in the case of the extraordinary cost to maintain the WCT and daily evacuations of injured hikers, or the cost to maintain the Elfin Shelter, or to patrol the Bowron Lakes Circuit, I don't so easily think using these places should be entirely free. Those fees provide less apparent but very valuable benefits such as limiting abuse of the places.

(Though costly hiking fees don't prevent degradations such as inflicted on the Rocky Mountain parks by horse packing outfits, or crude business operations such as Monique's on the WCT)

So I'm not sure what exactly would be fair. It would help if, in evaluating what to charge hikers and other park visitors, some things were taken into account that currently are not. Such as the health benefits of self-propelled recreation, or the carbon footprint of people who use motorized vehicles in parks (such as motorboats on Alouette Lake).
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