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AcesHigh
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 Posted - 11/09/2006 :  1:11 PM  Show Profile  Reply to this posting
On April 28 1947 a Trans-Canada Airlines Lodestar (TCA / Same company as the Mt Slesse Airplane Crash) vanished without a trace. The Twin Engine TCA Lodestar was carrying 12 passengers, two pilots, one stewardess, on a direct flight from Lethbridge.

Neerly 50 years later, Hikers stumbled upon the wreck on Mt Cheam or Very Neer?

Does anyone have any knowledge about this crash, about the findings, what debris is there, and if anyone has any pictures? Is this area easily visible & accessable?

Edited by - AcesHigh on 11/11/2006 12:46 PM
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AcesHigh
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 Posted - 11/09/2006 :  11:29 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Because hikers found this, it must be able to be reached on foot...

Surely someone has seen or knows something?

Peak Bagger
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 Posted - 11/10/2006 :  08:26 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think the mention of Cheam is a little incorrect on this one Aces. Although there are a couple of crash sites in Airplane Creek (ie. - close the Cheam), this one you mention occurred on the North Shore on the slopes of Mt. Elsay (just north of Mt. Seymour):

http://www.planecrashinfo.com/1947/1947-30.htm

There's a memorial plaque near Rice Lake giving details of the crash and coordinates. I think Mick Range and Gchicalo have posted more info about the crash plaque/crash site coordinates if you do a search of trip reports.

PB
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AcesHigh
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 Posted - 11/10/2006 :  09:46 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Very Strange!

This book I am reading says "spotted" on Mt Cheam. I realise its possible the book is slightly innacurate, I am assuming Mt Cheam is neer Mt Elsay?.

Also it mentions another crash on Mount William Knight, part of the Cheam Range neer Hope. I am curious if there is any hiking up there, what the terrain is like , if there is a monument it would be nice to hike to and see, learn more about it.

Dec 1942 a twin engine Canadian Pacific Airlines (CPA) Lockheed 14 with sadly 13 people onboard. On August 13 1943 after the snow melted on the peaks it was found.

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 Posted - 11/10/2006 :  10:51 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Late in October of 1998 on a climb of Baby Mundy we discovered wreckage near the apex of the col between Baby Mundy and Knight Peak. This consisted of small pieces of aircraft aluminum which had been exposed by the recent melting of snow after a long hot summer. I've not been up there since, but I would guess that what was permanent snow is gone until the next mini ice age.

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 Posted - 11/10/2006 :  1:16 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AcesHigh


This book I am reading says "spotted" on Mt Cheam. I realise its possible the book is slightly innacurate, I am assuming Mt Cheam is neer Mt Elsay?.



Aces, Mt Cheam is near Chilliwack. Mt. Elsay is on the North Shore, so I would suspect your book is indeed "slightly innacurate". Unless the spotter had really, really good eyes. Sounds like the details of two separate accidents are being confused.

Knight Peak can be hiked - just class 2 from the south. There's a trail up from Airplane Creek. Again, have a search for Knight Peak in the trip reports. I should warn you, though, that it too is an "unrelenting hammer". I've also heard mention of debris in the scree between the Still and Welch, including a 50 calibre machine gun from a WWII bomber crash. Looks like you have lots to explore, Aces.

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 Posted - 11/10/2006 :  2:41 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Cool! Thanks for your help! Those two crashes were mentioned in the new Mt Slesse book page 14, strange but not suprised they were inacurate. I found another error in relation to places in the book, but that had nothing to do with any other crashes.

He would of had to been superman to see that far. That would be an interesting hike indeed. Just the sounds of the description "Unrelenting Hammer" makes me quiver...

I like hiking bunny hills.
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 Posted - 11/10/2006 :  5:02 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The only plane crash I know of on Mt. Cheam is when a cessna slammed into the rock face of of Lady Peak above and to the right of the col between Cheam and Lady. That wreckage would have plummeted down towards Jones Lake.
The only other crash I know of is the one on the south-west face of Knight Peak.

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 Posted - 11/10/2006 :  7:05 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
the wreckage the book is refering to is the wreckage on the s/w slopes of Knight peak.there is a broad gulley there with considerable plane debris there near the top third of gully below a snowfield.
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 Posted - 11/10/2006 :  8:26 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In the area mentioned above by Bob W, I found aluminum parts and a propellor in a scree field on Knight. I contacted the TSB about it and the guy came up with a crash from around the 1940's. I can't remember the rest of the details.

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 Posted - 11/11/2006 :  10:44 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There was a crash near cheam in the 40s...
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 Posted - 11/11/2006 :  12:14 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
my dad always told me bout some crash at cheam that had some popular people on it, football players or something like that, but who knows. Lots of plane crashes, scary!
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 Posted - 11/11/2006 :  12:43 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Bavarian Raven

There was a crash near cheam in the 40s...



Do you know much about it?

Nistoned, that was the 1956 Mt Slesse, I believe you are thinking, which isn't far from cheam, but not the one I am referring to.

Curious how hard it is to get to the area.

Edited by - AcesHigh on 11/11/2006 12:52 PM

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 Posted - 11/21/2006 :  2:14 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There is a book called "LOST-True Stories of Canadian Aviation Tragedies", written by Shirlee Smith Matheson which details the crash plus others that all of you were discussing in the earlier posts. It is an excellent book. Her website is www.ssmatheson.ca Her research on these crashes are in great detail plus also interviews with relatives of the people who perished. Hope this helps you with your questions and then some.

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 Posted - 12/16/2006 :  2:52 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Aces

I have some more info on this subject. Last night my dads family had a Christmas get together and we were talking and looking at photos about our September trip to the Mt. Slesse memorial site. My dads cousin who is now 75 was a pilot in the RCAF. I found out last night that he was involved in the search for the TCA North Star which collided with Slesse in 1956. For 3 weeks he flew (weather permitting) up and down the valleys of the Cheam range looking for anything resembling a plane crash. He said it was a very boring three weeks because all he really saw were the tops of clouds and some of the peaks of the surrounding mountains. Something else came up in the conversation which I didn't know about at all. In fact, my dads cousin told me a Lockheed Loadstar aircraft had crashed into Knight Peak years ago but he doesn't really know much more info about the crash. He also said a B-24 Liberator which was based at the Abbotsford Airport in the 1940's, also crashed somewhere in the Cheam range. Peak Bagger is correct that the crash which you wrote of in the first post is a completely different incident.

I'll be doing alot of research over the winter months to see if I can dig up anything which will help me located the crash sites. I'm an aviation enthusiast and there's nothing like seeing plane wreckage from years past. I find it very interesting just thinking about the circumstances to cause such crashes.

Mark S

Edited by - MtBakerClimber on 12/17/2006 01:15 AM
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AcesHigh
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 Posted - 12/17/2006 :  04:59 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the info, if you get any more information please do share!

Thanks!

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 Posted - 04/12/2009 :  2:23 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Quote: (He also said a B-24 Liberator which was based at the Abbotsford Airport in the 1940's, also crashed somewhere in the Cheam range.)

I know I'm over two years behind in this post but found it on the internet while searching and it was based out of Boundry Bay but had left Abbotsford that June 1/45 morning.


For the B-24 Liberator crash check out the following:

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bckdgs/mountain.htm

http://www.bansteadhistory.com/Memorial/2_H.html

Also of interest this may be helpful also:

http://www.canada.com/victoriatimescolonist/story.html?id=c1c49650-dd99-4634-8031-055d1484b343
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 Posted - 04/12/2009 :  7:59 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Strangely enough last night I was searching for info on that Liberator Bomber, and would like to hike up to the crash site, then today you commented on this, very strange coincidence!

Thanks for the links.

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"Strangely enough last night I was searching for info on that Liberator Bomber, and would like to hike up to the crash site, then today you commented on this, very strange coincidence!

Thanks for the links."

You are welcome and now you know where the name "Airplane Creek" comes from.

"very strange coincidence"........yes, it is.....but is it a coincidence...............or what ?

Also, around one month later, July 1945 one Liberator landed on top of another Liberator at Abbotsford, taking off......can't remember the site that gave me that info but will see if I can find it.

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 Posted - 04/12/2009 :  9:09 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"Also, around one month later, July 1945 one Liberator landed on top of another Liberator at Abbotsford, taking off......can't remember the site that gave me that info but will see if I can find it."

Well I found it:

http://www.rquirk.com/fail/acsea/acsea.pdf

Dates are wrong on the KK241 Liberator crash above Airplane Creek but after all this is the internet......and you can't believe everything on it as accutate

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 Posted - 05/19/2009 :  9:05 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
[quote]Originally posted by directmule

Quote: (He also said a B-24 Liberator which was based at the Abbotsford Airport in the 1940's, also crashed somewhere in the Cheam range.)

I know I'm over two years behind in this post but found it on the internet while searching and it was based out of Boundry Bay but had left Abbotsford that June 1/45 morning.
[end quote]

Well here's the story.
This Liberator was not stationed at Boundary Bay because all Liberator crew training was done out of Abbotsford. The only Liberator flying that took place out of Boundary Bay was for the Air Gunners and these flights were done on the coast over the water, something to do with not wanting to hit residents with 50 caliber machine gun fire I believe.
RCAF Abbotsford and Boundary Bay was the combined home of No. 5 Operational Training Unit. The unit was created for the purpose of training Commonwealth Liberator crews for operations against the Japanese forces in S.E. Asia and Burma.
For more information on the RCAF at Abbotsford and Boundary Bay please check out our website.
Take the link "collections" then to "static displays"
Cheers for now.
Michael DesMazes, RCAF Abbotsford and Boundary Bay researcher since 1987.
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