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 Bear Bangers - What to buy?
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Kathryne
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 Posted - 06/14/2005 :  8:58 PM  Show Profile  Reply to this posting
OK, I made an attempt at searching this topic, but my ancient computer crashed and I'm a lazy ass anyway.

So, what kind of bear banger do you own? Why do you like it? If you could buy one all over again, would you do anything different? Where did you buy it? Is there a brand that's heads above the others? What should I expect to pay?

I'm not that concerned about bears, but I like the loud bangy noises.

In all seriousness, It really is the last piece of gear for my kit. I have carried spray and never used it, so I figured I could go for something lighter and easily accessible should I need a deterrent.

Do these things scare off sex poodles?

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Slow Dog
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Langley, BC
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 Posted - 06/14/2005 :  9:27 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A little heavy but effective:

lang22
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prince george, bc
Canada

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 Posted - 06/15/2005 :  2:37 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
hey supertwink, don't get rid of your bearspray in exchange for bangers. instead, get bangers to compliment your spray. if you ever have a close encounter with a bear (and i mean close, 10 meters or so), bangers will do absolutely nothing, maybe frighten the bear in your direction. these are only useful if the bear is quite a distance away, as a deterrent (like you said). the spray will be your last defence in case of an attack. everybody should carry this if they're planning to spend time in the outdoors. i don't mean to fear-monger, you will probably never use that spray, but JUST IN CASE!

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 Posted - 06/15/2005 :  2:55 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
the various brands are all the same

just make sure you don't buy centre-fire cartridges if your launcher is rim-fire, or vice versa.

bheaps
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the road
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 Posted - 06/15/2005 :  3:04 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SuperTwink
... and I'm a lazy ass anyway.





is this why the technical deer cam problems werent fixed?

if it is let me try

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Kathryne
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 Posted - 06/15/2005 :  6:17 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by bheaps

quote:
Originally posted by SuperTwink
... and I'm a lazy ass anyway.





is this why the technical deer cam problems werent fixed?

if it is let me try

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Nope - obsolete technology ...

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Monster
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Vancouver, BC
Canada

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 Posted - 06/15/2005 :  8:37 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You know.. they are not all the same SuperTwink... you can buy just the basic bangers which are all the same or you can buy true wildlife hazing bangers called "Cracker Shells".

These are flash/bang shells which are very similar to non-leathal percussion grenades used by law enforcement. They are used by the DFO and other management agencies to haze bears from much longer distances then your basic bear bangers travel. They can be fired either from a launcher (not the pen but a plastic pistol purchased seperately) or you can also get them in 12 gauge rounds. I realize that the topic of firearms is a touchy one here and I like most discourage their need however, I do a lot of solo tripping in places where you are just not likely to run into other people and on some of those occasions.. depending on the time of year and conditions... I have added a shotgun to my gear. Mind you I must stress... this is not hiking protection, when I'm on the go it stays packed, unloaded and out of reach. I carry bear spray for on the move protection and sometimes (again dependant on circumstance) nothing at all. The shotgun for me is an ‘in camp’ tool and when I'm alone because the cracker shells in the 12 guage flavour, go more then triple the distance of bear bangers before detonating which for me in a canoe approaching a potential camp site is very useful... also, I can fire distress flares three times as high as in the hand held launchers and I can also fire non lethal bear deterrents such as rubber slugs (not that I could ever see the need but if you’re a farmer trying to protect livestock while preserving wildlife..) Lastly.. and only in the absolute worst case "OMG I dont want to kill even a plant..." it provides instant stopping power for anything that ignores all my best arguments for coming into my camp at night.

I feel "iffy" at best about posting this information as when ever anyone mentions "guns" the perception is that you’re a gun loving, Bush voting, bible thumping redneck. I am none of these. I am a canoe camper who can afford the extra weight and often treks or paddles solo. I am not a hunter nor will I ever be, although I do not pass judgment on those who choose to hunt and would even graciously appreciate any game meat offered to me after the fact but now I'm ranting.

The point here is that, keeping bangers around camp for when something bigger than your average raccoon goes "bump in the night" can be a very effective and comforting deterrent.

Bears are not like cats, they dont "sneak up" on you quietly and almost always when it's dark and your in your camp site... you'll hear a tell take "crack" or "snap" as they walk through the forest. This is where bangers as a deterrent to my mind are absolutely fantastic tools. If your hiking during day and have a surprise encounter with a bear, you'll likely not be fiddling to find and work your bangers, just get your spray ready and try to back away as calmly as possible.

Scottmojowright
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Victoria, BC
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 Posted - 06/16/2005 :  3:00 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think I'm going to look into buying some bear spray.

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darrenbell
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Penhold, Alberta
Canada

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 Posted - 06/16/2005 :  5:20 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
ST, I have a "tru flare" pen type. Can't remember the cost, but the thing to look for is that the firing pin is reversible so you can use rim/or center fire cartridges. I always carry my bear spray as well, as mentioned here bangers are good for scaring at a safe distance were as the spray would be my last option.

Baddoc48
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Chilliwack, BC
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 Posted - 06/17/2005 :  07:34 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey Slow D--

I want one "Do you feel lucky bear, do ya?"
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Kathryne
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 Posted - 06/18/2005 :  4:57 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the advice, everyone. I picked up a tru-flare pen launcher today. I also got a message from MEC finance - they have a share redemption cheque for me, for about $80. It was well worth the trip!

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BillyGoat
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Aldergrove, BC
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 Posted - 06/18/2005 :  7:08 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Monster...interesting about the cracker 12 guage shells. Where would one buy such shells, and how much are they? I reload my own shells, and have at times debated loading rock salt or something non-lethal, but then I've never bothered lugging 6 pounds of shotgun around up till now anyway.
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BillyGoat
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 Posted - 06/18/2005 :  7:23 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I was just doing some googling on cracker shells, but I found this Alberta-based site to have other really cool and economical stuff for bear deterrents:


http://www.margosupplies.com/canadian/scare/launchers_pyro_new.htm

Monster
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Vancouver, BC
Canada

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 Posted - 06/18/2005 :  8:04 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You found the place before I even saw your question. Margo Supplies in High River Alberta, if that location rings a bell it's because that was the town evacuations took place in the recent floods. At the time they said they might not be able to ship but a friend of mine still managed to get a bottle of bear spray mail ordered. They dont like to sell the cracker 12guage shells because, as I was told.. theres been reports of some going off far too close to the end of your barrel (yes, thats what one of their sales people said to me).

I have to tell you of the other option for use with the regular cracker shells, 3Vets sells for $7.00 a little screw on washer that converts them to be usable in a 12guage, I bought one but have yet to try it out. Also look into Margo's aerial flares in white blue and of course red (not to be used recklessly).

point
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coquitlam, B.C.
Canada

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 Posted - 06/19/2005 :  7:06 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I used my first bear banger today. Holy sht those things are loud!!
I met a black bear on Eagle Ridge this afternoon and the guy wouldn't budge off of the trail. He just sat in the middle of the path and carried on with whatever he was eating (the last hiker?).
I blew a whistle, shouted at him and he just ignored me. I think that is a bad attitude for a bear. I let go with the banger and was shocked at its range and sound level The poor bastard ran like a shot at the first bang and then when I overshot him he had to change direction in mid flight.
I don't know the brand of banger but it was the only one that they sold at Coast Mountain.
A word of advice. If you buy one get some extra shot and try it out (not in your backyard) to get a feel for the range. It's quite good.
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Kathryne
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 Posted - 06/19/2005 :  7:46 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am doing just that, point. The thing is, there's not really any where to go around here in Burnaby to test it out. I wouldn't want to alarm anyone - you know?

Can anyone suggest a good place? I'm going to go on a hike somewhere next weekend - maybe I can pair up these two activities without causing too much of a stir.

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darrenbell
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Penhold, Alberta
Canada

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 Posted - 06/19/2005 :  11:31 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey ST; I always try my bangers out at a lake. I don't imagine the bush is very dry anywhere in western Canada, but I just feel better knowing I didn't overlook anything that may cause a fire. I estimate the charge travels about 80-100ft when the banger goes off.Good idea though to test it before you need it. Play safe.
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BillyGoat
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Aldergrove, BC
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 Posted - 06/20/2005 :  1:44 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Can anyone suggest a good place? I'm going to go on a hike somewhere next weekend - maybe I can pair up these two activities without causing too much of a stir.


Find a wide spot up a logging road in the Chilliwack River Valley. You could even then just toss the empty banger shells alongside the heaps of spent shotgun shell casings you'll find.
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Dru
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Sardonic sandbagging scoundrel, Cascade Climbers lobotomized spraymeister, space blanket flyer, new millennium vulgarian betaboy and friend to all squids

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 Posted - 06/20/2005 :  2:33 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i like to shoot them off in train tunnels because of the cool echo. the best one is on the east end of seaview trail in west van, the tunnel that bypasses horseshoe bay
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