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Never-Never Land, B.C.
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Posted - 12/16/2004 : 9:44 PM
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Originally posted by grachman
I am a super-serious person with no tolerance for horseplay.
How sad grachman; fun and laughter make for a well balanced life. Maybe you should try to broaden your horizons.
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The first fall of snow is not only an event, it is a magical event. You go to bed in one kind of world and wake up in another quite different, and if this is not enchantment then where is it to be found?~~J.B. Priestley~~
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 Mysterious, pop can stove stashin', gps totin', overnighter virgin, wannabe tentmaker and foul weather wuss who rides a thumper to the trailhead with wonderdog Max to hike the Chilliwack Valley
Chwk
Canada
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Posted - 12/16/2004 : 11:01 PM
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On a serious note, my brother and I came upon an open, unmarked and very DEEEEEEEEP well, while plodding through the bush near Clinton.
It snows alot in that area. I wouldn't want to find that well in winter, if you know what I mean. 
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Pop can stove-making hiker wannabe that drives a tiddler to trailheads!
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Posted - 12/16/2004 : 11:10 PM
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Night owl posting,Subie driving, backpacking Dad who is perpetually trying to catch up to his kids on the trail.
Vancouver, BC
Canada
3052 Posts |
Posted - 12/16/2004 : 11:15 PM
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Originally posted by willyz
I feel more at danger while biking to work  But after reading this maybe I should reconcider, and stay on weekends at home with my best friend TiVo. Although this is also dangerous, especially to your brain, not to say anything about the tube exploding etc...
Willy: You are far more at danger biking to work. Almost all of the identified dangers of winter hiking can be reduced to a negligible level through proper preparation, experience and good decision making. No matter how carefully prepared or experienced you are, as a cyclist sharing the road with cell phone talking, food munching, coffee sipping, make-up applying, half-awake or semi-brain-dead commuters encapsulated in 2 tons of fast moving steel you are always at the mercy of lethal forces over which you have no control!
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"Aging ... it beats the alternative" |
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Trail running, bike hucking, fast packing, beer drinking collector of pine cones on a day pass
AKA
Dances with Trees
Forest Gnome Cabin
Canada
13018 Posts |
Posted - 12/16/2004 : 11:35 PM
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What Willy and Dru said!Any harrowing experience I've had in the bush pales in comparison to riding your bike in traffic!
Given that you consider yourself a serious guy,Grachman,what draws you to the woods? |
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Posted - 12/16/2004 : 11:54 PM
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"Given that you consider yourself a serious guy,Grachman,what draws you to the woods?"
Firstly, relief from stress. Hiking is actually quite stressful, but you are using different parts of your brain and it seems to clear your mind; much like Electro Convulsive Therapy(ECT). Secondly, I want to lose weight around my stomach and around my face.
I have mostly talked about hiking so far. Hopefully, I will start hiking more as I become acclimatized to it. |
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 adventure seeking, peak-bagging, high-enduring, strong and silent forest gnome
N49°09', W122°47'
Canada
3819 Posts |
Posted - 12/17/2004 : 07:35 AM
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Originally posted by grachman
As far as me being a troll, I find that notion quite amusing; I am a super-serious person with no tolerance for horseplay.
We'll have to get you out to a CT dinner, Grachman, and try and break you of that nasty habit!  |
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ass wigglin, cheese lovin, 4x4 drivin, apostrophe hatin, hiking chick who loves camping on snow
spaceship..
Canada
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Posted - 12/17/2004 : 08:01 AM
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I think a couple people here are trying to tell you to lighten up Grachman
What others have said, its more dangerous being out on the streets here, really. In my back alley I almost got hit by a car that suddenly started backing up, and I had my crutches then, not like I wasn't VISIBLE!!!!!
Get out hiking and have some fun  |
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Mountain Grammar Police
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Sardonic sandbagging scoundrel, Cascade Climbers lobotomized spraymeister, space blanket flyer, new millennium vulgarian betaboy and friend to all squids
Climbing, a mountain
Canada
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Posted - 12/17/2004 : 09:14 AM
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| If you go hiking and get struck by lightning you can have the benefits of hiking and ECT together |
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 Buntzen roving stealthy beer mule and artist, aspiring weird image findmaster who loves BC
lower mainland
Canada
1647 Posts |
Posted - 12/17/2004 : 10:50 AM
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| As Grachman probably knows, there's no lighten up switch. It can be a long road but you're on the right track. |
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Alberta-based choss climbin', flame throwin', rappel lovin', ass talkin' hater who doesn't like "Gumby" for a descriptor
1100 Posts |
Posted - 12/17/2004 : 12:28 PM
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Hypothermia is a greatly exaggerated risk like grizzly bears or being killed by lightning. There's 31 million Canadians living in the Great White North and death and injury due to freezing is not common. We've all been uncomfortable and have all had that stinging sensation when our toes thaw out but actual danger? How many people die from hypothermia each year while cross country skiing or snowshoeing? Again, some common sense is needed. Wear mitts and socks and a hat and try and keep dry.
Hypothermia is NOT an exaggerated risk! Where did you come to this conclusion. You obviously are oblivious to proven facts.
Did you have any idea that hypothermia is found in 75% of outdoor (hiking type of outdoors) injuries?
His reply prompted me to educate a bit:
http://clubtread.com/sforum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8933 |
Edited by - kman on 12/17/2004 12:36 PM |
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Mountain Grammar Police
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Sardonic sandbagging scoundrel, Cascade Climbers lobotomized spraymeister, space blanket flyer, new millennium vulgarian betaboy and friend to all squids
Climbing, a mountain
Canada
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Posted - 12/17/2004 : 12:42 PM
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Calgary, Alberta
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Posted - 12/17/2004 : 12:54 PM
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"Did you have any idea that hypothermia is found in 75% of outdoor (hiking type of outdoors) injuries?"
Huh? and so what? Maybe mechanical failure is responsible for 75% of airline crashes...they are still rare.
A little paranoid, are you?
And your figure is ridiculous. In 35 years of hiking in some very difficult situations, especially when I was in the military...I never encountered one case of hypothermia that consisted of any more than a frostbitten toe or ear...nothing dangerous.
So of all the injuries that the posters on the forums have had...from scraped knees to broken limbs...75% of the time there was hypothermia? Your definition of hypothermia is somewhat broad and ludicrous. "My zipper is stuck...gosh, not hypothermia!"
The hospitals in Calgary must be full of patients coming back from the mountains suffering from hypothermia.
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After hiking for 35 years I still haven't reached the end of the trail. |
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Alberta-based choss climbin', flame throwin', rappel lovin', ass talkin' hater who doesn't like "Gumby" for a descriptor
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Posted - 12/17/2004 : 1:17 PM
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75% of the time there was hypothermia? Your definition of hypothermia is somewhat broad and ludicrous. "My zipper is stuck...gosh, not hypothermia]
Not talking about scrapes. Your pretty ignorant, I am done with you.
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Alberta-based choss climbin', flame throwin', rappel lovin', ass talkin' hater who doesn't like "Gumby" for a descriptor
1100 Posts |
Posted - 12/17/2004 : 1:19 PM
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Alberta-based choss climbin', flame throwin', rappel lovin', ass talkin' hater who doesn't like "Gumby" for a descriptor
1100 Posts |
Posted - 12/17/2004 : 1:21 PM
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Only if you define shivering as hypothermia. Which is arguable
It's one form. |
Edited by - kman on 12/17/2004 1:21 PM |
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Alberta-based choss climbin', flame throwin', rappel lovin', ass talkin' hater who doesn't like "Gumby" for a descriptor
1100 Posts |
Posted - 12/17/2004 : 1:25 PM
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The boater thing is kind of unrelated to hiking so I deleted it.
Here is the ACC accidents section. Contributing cause is HYPOTHERMIA. Stick this in your pipe and choke on it. It's more common than you think Grizzy.
http://alpineclub-edm.org/accidents/cause.asp?cause=18
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Alberta-based choss climbin', flame throwin', rappel lovin', ass talkin' hater who doesn't like "Gumby" for a descriptor
1100 Posts |
Posted - 12/17/2004 : 1:37 PM
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The boater thing is kind of unrelated to hiking so I deleted it.
Here is the ACC accidents section. Contributing cause is HYPOTHERMIA. Stick this in your pipe and choke on it. It's more common than you think Grizzy.
http://alpineclub-edm.org/accidents/cause.asp?cause=18
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75% of outdoor (hiking type of outdoors) injuries
I should have said 75% of injuries outdoors that required a rescue |
Edited by - kman on 12/17/2004 1:37 PM |
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Calgary, Alberta
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Posted - 12/17/2004 : 1:38 PM
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"I was only pointing out that a lot of people injured in the great outdoors have some form of hypothermia"
No, you said: "Did you have any idea that hypothermia is found in 75% of outdoor (hiking type of outdoors) injuries?"
Paranoia is rampant in the hiking community and no more so when it comes to exaggerated claims of danger from Grizzly Bears, Cougars, Hypothermia and other 'imminent' events that will strike one down in their prime. Is there a danger? Yes. Is the danger exaggerated? Yes.
What does hypothermia in commercial fisherman have to do with hypothermia in hikers? Window cleaners fall off of scaffolds and that is some statement on deaths from alpine misadventures?
You and I have just had very different outdoor experiences. I've never been eaten by a Grizzly, poisoned by a Rattler, succumbed to Hypothermia or been fried by Lightning. I guess I'm just lucky. I don't know how many thousands of Albertans will go out into the great outdoors this week to enjoy tobagganing, skating, skiing, snowshoeing, snowboarding and other activities. I doubt, however, if even one will perish from hypothermia. Hypothermia is much more likely to take a couple lives this year among a few unfortunate street people with drinking problems.
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After hiking for 35 years I still haven't reached the end of the trail. |
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Mountain Grammar Police
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Sardonic sandbagging scoundrel, Cascade Climbers lobotomized spraymeister, space blanket flyer, new millennium vulgarian betaboy and friend to all squids
Climbing, a mountain
Canada
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Posted - 12/17/2004 : 1:39 PM
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Originally posted by kman
The boater thing is kind of unrelated to hiking so I deleted it.
Here is the ACC accidents section. Contributing cause is HYPOTHERMIA. Stick this in your pipe and choke on it. It's more common than you think Grizzy.
http://alpineclub-edm.org/accidents/cause.asp?cause=18
That's not 75% of the total accidents reported on the site. |
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What are the dangers of hiking in the winter?
