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North Vancouver
Canada
745 Posts |
Posted - 06/28/2012 : 6:20 PM
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...in case the Jerk that keeps removing the markers from the MacKay Creek Trail on the front side of Grouse reads this forum:
Stop removing the markers! North Shore Rescue spends many volunteer hours late at night helping people who get lost in this area. We have also spent many volunteer hours marking this trail to help people avoid getting lost. How about we make a deal? We won't mark the trail again, but the next time someone is lost in the middle of the night, you go and fetch them and we get a full night's sleep before work the next day?
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Vancouver, BC
Canada
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660 Posts |
Posted - 06/28/2012 : 6:55 PM
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There is ample real garbage to remove if "the jerk" feels this is a beautification project. May I suggest any square foot at random in the Chilliwack Valley area?
In the meantime, leave the trail markers alone. They save lives, really they do, not to mention the terrible inconvenience put upon the great volunteers of the NSR. |
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 Trail running, bike hucking, fast packing, beer drinking collector of pine cones on a day pass
AKA
Dances with Trees
Forest Gnome Cabin
Canada
13057 Posts |
Posted - 06/28/2012 : 7:18 PM
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| This has been going on far too long. Time to install a camera somewhere to catch the culprit |
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north van, bc
Canada
940 Posts |
Posted - 06/28/2012 : 10:46 PM
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| put them up higher?.. |
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Calgary, Alberta
Andorra
3796 Posts |
Posted - 06/28/2012 : 11:08 PM
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Is there any signage explaining the markers and their reason for existing?
If not, I could easily see someone complaining about the jerk who keeps marking up a perfectly navigable trail with stupid sign-things nailed to the trees. |
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1078 Posts |
Posted - 06/29/2012 : 01:16 AM
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Originally posted by Rachelo
Is there any signage explaining the markers and their reason for existing?
If not, I could easily see someone complaining about the jerk who keeps marking up a perfectly navigable trail with stupid sign-things nailed to the trees.
Quite true.
In addition, if you really want him to stop based on this thread, reaching out to him as a kindred spirit is probably much more likely to get results, rather than simply calling him a "jerk".
After all, I bet if some guy kept cutting down trees, to prevent people being lost, you'd be pretty upset. An extreme example? Yes, exactly, the point is that we all draw the line in different places.
(sadly, this example was not that implausible...you'll hear all kinds of crazy theories....sometimes people even claim nobody should go in the "wilderness"!_
Maybe something like: look, I know it is visual pollution, and takes away from the "wilderness" feel, but, it's a very popular trail, with a lot of newbs. They won't stop coming, and they'll keep getting lost, and we will keep having to search for them. If you could look past it, and let the markers be, it would help us out a lot. |
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Kamloops, BC
Canada
159 Posts |
Posted - 06/29/2012 : 08:04 AM
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I really think the guy thats taking them down is doing everyone a favour. I absolutely hate seeing garbage hanging off trees!! If you want to mark the trail then take a hatchet a blaze trees every so often and lose the trash!
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Vancouver
108 Posts |
Posted - 06/29/2012 : 08:33 AM
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Originally posted by mick range
This has been going on far too long. Time to install a camera somewhere to catch the culprit
Good idea but they would probably steal the camera too. |
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the mountain parks, Alberta
Canada
102 Posts |
Posted - 06/29/2012 : 08:39 AM
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| Removing little plastic squares from trees is NOT stealing. Maybe you might have more success by calling the person a terrorist. |
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Smurf Village, BC
Canada
1497 Posts |
Posted - 06/29/2012 : 09:24 AM
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Saltfactory Posted - 06/29/2012 : 08:04 AM
I really think the guy thats taking them down is doing everyone a favour. I absolutely hate seeing garbage hanging off trees!! If you want to mark the trail then take a hatchet a blaze trees every so often and lose the trash!
This is exactly what you shouldn't do as it damages the tree. Here's a quick link for you: Save a trees life: Don't peel bark |
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Too close to the city, BC
Canada
785 Posts |
Posted - 06/29/2012 : 09:36 AM
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Originally posted by skibum101
Removing little plastic squares from trees is NOT stealing. Maybe you might have more success by calling the person a terrorist.
He never called it stealing. |
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Vancouver, BC
Canada
277 Posts |
Posted - 06/29/2012 : 10:04 AM
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If the person removing the markers wants to hike an unmarked route, go find an unmarked route... there are many, many out there...
But it is nobody's place to remove markers from trees on marked trails, that just puts people at risk and inconveniences the folks that have to go find them... C'mon! |
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the mountain parks, Alberta
Canada
102 Posts |
Posted - 06/29/2012 : 10:06 AM
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Originally posted by icevixen
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Originally posted by skibum101
Removing little plastic squares from trees is NOT stealing. Maybe you might have more success by calling the person a terrorist.
He never called it stealing.
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Good idea but they would probably steal the camera too
Sure as hell implied it. |
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Vancouver, BC
Canada
874 Posts |
Posted - 06/29/2012 : 10:28 AM
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skibum101:
You must be a troll.
Nobody could be that stupid. |
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2421 Posts |
Posted - 06/29/2012 : 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by Saltfactory
If you want to mark the trail then take a hatchet a blaze trees every so often and lose the trash!
I take it you don't like trees.
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Langley, BC
Canada
1078 Posts |
Posted - 06/29/2012 : 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by peter1955
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Originally posted by Saltfactory
If you want to mark the trail then take a hatchet a blaze trees every so often and lose the trash!
I take it you don't like trees.
I take it you've just been trolled. |
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271 Posts |
Posted - 06/29/2012 : 10:34 AM
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NS Explorer if you need help replacing the signs, let me know!
FYI, this area is adjacent to a major population area - Vancouver...
Its not exactly pristine forest, its been logged 3 times, burned 2-3 times.
These trails are well established, braided, hard to navigate it you don't know your way around.
Even experience hikers get into trouble in this area - like the body they recovered a couple of days ago in Mosquito creek.
If it gets dark, its even more difficult.
The signs are there for people who don't know where they're going, but want to go for a hike and get into trouble to get out themselves.
These signs are small and has been mentioned if you don't want to see signs of humans, go deeper! But even here, you're going to have to go pretty deep to not see any signs of people.
They are a lot nicer then the flagging tape you see all over the place. Which is something even I remove, unless there is directional information on them.
This area is more popular then people think. The land owners aren't doing anything to help people navigate so lets support the volunteers who are out there attempting to make peoples experience positive.
Or maybe this guy would rather see 4X4 posts put up at the trail intersections. |
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271 Posts |
Posted - 06/29/2012 : 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by weedWhacker
skibum101:
You must be a troll.
Nobody could be that stupid.
no doubt! |
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Vancouver, BC
Canada
123 Posts |
Posted - 06/29/2012 : 10:55 AM
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If there is snow or it's dark you can't see the trail. It would be nice to leave markers for people who are there in less than perfect conditions.
Same applies to open ridges where you see your route and normally don't need any markers till clouds come and reduce visibility.
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Originally posted by shinsplints
They are a lot nicer then the flagging tape you see all over the place. Which is something even I remove, unless there is directional information on them.
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Originally posted by Rachelo
Is there any signage explaining the markers and their reason for existing?
If not, I could easily see someone complaining about the jerk who keeps marking up a perfectly navigable trail with stupid sign-things nailed to the trees.
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Vancouver, BC
Canada
2660 Posts |
Posted - 06/29/2012 : 11:03 AM
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For the benefit of the out-of-town naysayers:
Grouse Mountain is a bit of an anomaly 'round here. It has approximately 10 routes that I can think of, the most famous of which is the Grouse Grind. There are plenty of people who hike the Grouse Grind who do not go hiking anywhere else. When they want to up the ante...they might try one of the obscure routes, instead of going to a well-defined, less populated trail such as Lynn Peak which would be the logical next step IMO. More obscure routes include Heritage Tree, MacKay Creek and a couple of "unmentionable" routes that are out of bounds. I think I've been lost on several of them 
Grouse mountain is steep, with plenty of complex microterrain and cliffy sections. If you're not used to looking at terrain, this could escape the observation of a novice.
Another anomaly about this mountain is the weird proprietary sense people get about their secret routes. The weird part is that it's the most-often hiked mountain in the Lower Mainland; I don't know why they don't head to neighbouring Mt Fromme which sees very little traffic, once off the mountain biking trails. There's an ongoing battle between people marking the Flint & Feather, and those destroying the markers, and it's the trees that suffer 
BTW, if you are from out of town, and find yourself in Vancouver for a conference or whatever, shoot me a line. If I'm able to, I'll take you for a tour of one of these obscure routes. |
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An Open Letter to the Jerk...
