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Surrey, BC
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Posted - 05/10/2012 : 5:57 PM
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Jim, I hope you don't mind me posting this publicly, but what do you and the other CT members think about holding a vote for moderators? Members could nominate potential candidates, those nominated could accept/decline, and we then hold a vote for 2-3 moderators that have the time to keep track of what is going on here in regards to terms of use? Moderators would not have to answer to anyone, but you.
The reason I bring this up is, I really enjoy this site, but hate that the site gets labelled according to a few loud mouthed bad apples with too much time on their hands. It's time this site gets labelled by the majority of it's members...you know, those contributing TR's and other useful outdoor information.
I would also love to see 'The Lodge' section disappear...seems to attract the bad apples. |
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 Big pack hiker who sleeps with bears in tent and falls on slippery logs
Langley, BC
Canada
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Posted - 05/10/2012 : 6:20 PM
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I had actually made Darren a moderator a few days ago. I should have sent out an announcement.
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Big pack hiker who sleeps with bears in tent and falls on slippery logs
Langley, BC
Canada
7647 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2012 : 6:24 PM
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Campbell River, BC
Canada
754 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2012 : 7:52 PM
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Originally posted by John and Katie
Jim, I hope you don't mind me posting this publicly, but what do you and the other CT members think about holding a vote for moderators?
I don't mind moderators but here are some points to consider=>as long as they are calm and assertive but not overly aggressive, treat all members fairly, able to handle arguments without becoming heated and not abuse their powers etc.
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Big pack hiker who sleeps with bears in tent and falls on slippery logs
Langley, BC
Canada
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Posted - 05/10/2012 : 9:23 PM
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Originally posted by solo75
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Originally posted by John and Katie
Jim, I hope you don't mind me posting this publicly, but what do you and the other CT members think about holding a vote for moderators?
I don't mind moderators but here are some points to consider=>as long as they are calm and assertive but not overly aggressive, treat all members fairly, able to handle arguments without becoming heated and not abuse their powers etc.
I agree 110%. Which is why I'd prefer to choose carefully rather than rely on a voting system. |
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Calgary, Alberta
Andorra
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Posted - 05/10/2012 : 10:49 PM
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you can always ignore the Lodge section. It has its own section to deliberately avoid random stuff from cluttering up other areas. If you read via Active Topics, you can choose to see only the active *hiking* topics, so as to avoid the other stuff.
I don't understand why people are so unable to control themselves as to need to call for censorship instead of just using the handy features granted to enable ignoring the parts you don't like.
I don't find it remotely difficult to avoid the odd post that is obviously a flame war, or avoid the other sections if i am curious about trail conditions. I don't get offended by random people on the internet making fools out of themselves, but do use the ignore feature to delete from my view the one poster who consistently makes nonsense posts that aren't relevant to the topic being discussed. I'm sure it works equally well to avoid a poster of language you don't care for.
I thus don't think the site needs to be more heavily moderated but there are things that come up, and obviously Jim is extremely busy, so I think a couple mods are a great idea. Good luck! |
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Finally stopping that crazy suffering that is ice, climbing to concentrate on great ski tours!
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Posted - 05/11/2012 : 05:35 AM
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Originally posted by Rachelo
I don't understand why people are so unable to control themselves as to need to call for censorship instead of just using the handy features granted to enable ignoring the parts you don't like.
I don't find it remotely difficult to avoid the odd post that is obviously a flame war, or avoid the other sections if i am curious about trail conditions. I don't get offended by random people on the internet making fools out of themselves, but do use the ignore feature to delete from my view the one poster who consistently makes nonsense posts that aren't relevant to the topic being discussed. I'm sure it works equally well to avoid a poster of language you don't care for.
^^^^This. Five Stars! |
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Burnaby, BC
Canada
1293 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2012 : 08:51 AM
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Moderation doesn't equate to censorship on well-run forums.
Good moderators censor only as a last resort. There's ways to remind people about the character of a forum, the Terms of Use, and ways to deflect flame wars, without resorting to censorship.
Cause people do at times forget Guideline #8: "If it shouldn't be viewed by minors, then it shouldn't be posted to the forums or chat rooms. This is a public, family-friendly forum."
From what I've seen, CT hasn't censored all that much or often, and I personally think more recent instances of censorship would have been avoided had there been more active moderation to deflect flame wars before they blew up.
We often encounter people on the trails who recognize us from our few CT TRs, but do not post to CT themselves.
Telling people to 'ignore' isn't a solution, if what you want to do is expand the usage of a forum, and encourage new people in participating. Having unmoderated flame wars just gives the wrong impression. This wouldn't be the first forum to go down in flames with the same old cast of clowns bickering and bitching about the same old sh*t.
Great moderation is critical in having CT grow, so I hope darren turns out to be a great one.
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Best grilled cheese maker ever
Whitehorse, YUKON
Canada
2142 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2012 : 10:46 AM
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Cambium wrote 2 posts, and I have deleted them.
Cambium, if you want to discuss this issue more, please feel free to contact me through a private message.
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Penhold, Alberta
Canada
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Posted - 05/11/2012 : 11:33 AM
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Originally posted by darren
Cambium wrote 2 posts, and I have deleted them.
Cambium, if you want to discuss this issue more, please feel free to contact me through a private message.
We can only assume that some type of posting rule was broken?
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Hope, BC
Canada
7093 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2012 : 11:47 AM
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Hats off to Darren on his first real day on the job  |
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Calgary, Alberta
Andorra
3787 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2012 : 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by tu
Moderation doesn't equate to censorship on well-run forums.
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I am not suggesting that moderation = censorship. I have long thought that this forum finds a reasonable balance of letting people demonstrate their own idiocy if they insist, while cleaning up stuff that really starts to get in the way.
I am referencing the fact that for a number of people who are calling for moderators, what they are actually saying is 'please stop people from saying things I don't like but can't seem to stop myself from responding to'. The sort of people who post in a flaming thread asking someone to come in and stop it because it's so terrible and the posters are such twits instead of just leaving it to die. I'd be happy to see some mods able to do cleanup when Jim's busy, but I would be disappointed if that came with heavier handedness.
I'd be happy to see a few trolls cleaned up more quickly, but if people would stop feeding them, they'd never cause a problem anyways.
Personally, I enjoy discourse with others with brains. If a person can't stop themselves from getting into a dispute, or can't seem to avoid clicking on an annoying thread, I'm probably not going to lose that much if they decide to stay away. sure, we lose some people who are excellent contributors but really thin-skinned about language or whatever, but on the other side we lose good contributors who happen to have different language standards.
I'd much rather see more people exercise self-control than keep demanding top-down control.
I am happy to welcome new people to the forum, but have never felt that it is too small and we desperately need to expand. Why the focus on a need to grow? Stability can be excellent.
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Posted - 05/11/2012 : 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by darrenbell
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Originally posted by darren
Cambium wrote 2 posts, and I have deleted them.
Cambium, if you want to discuss this issue more, please feel free to contact me through a private message.
We can only assume that some type of posting rule was broken?
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No I didn't violate any guidelines, and darren did not explain what was wrong with my responses.
I thought this particular Topic is open for reasonable feedback or discussion. |
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Hope, BC
Canada
7093 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2012 : 1:45 PM
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Quit stirring the pot please, darren has good judgement, he's been here for a long time. What may be objectional by you the so called "Victim" may be in fact the total opposite to many others. I have good faith in darren doing his job, and his judgement. Let it go and start posting reasonable replies is my suggestion. We aren't opening a court case here over what you value as appropriate content, take it out with him in email as he suggested.
Jim has stated to PM him suggestions, perhaps this thread should be locked so it doesn't become a nomination feud or disruption here. |
Edited by - AcesHigh on 05/11/2012 1:48 PM |
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Vancouver, BC
Canada
1461 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2012 : 1:47 PM
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| Moderation talk on CT never fails to bring the LOLs. |
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Mountain Grammar Police
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Sardonic sandbagging scoundrel, Cascade Climbers lobotomized spraymeister, space blanket flyer, new millennium vulgarian betaboy and friend to all squids
Climbing, a mountain
Canada
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Posted - 05/11/2012 : 2:00 PM
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Originally posted by hafilax
Moderation talk on CT never fails to bring the LOLs.
And people e-asskissing the moderators. |
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Burnaby, BC
Canada
1293 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2012 : 3:18 PM
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Originally posted by Rachelo
Why the focus on a need to grow? Stability can be excellent.
Cause I want to see more TRs, from more people and with greater diversity.
One example: I'd like to see more TRs with kids. My kid loves seeing her TRs here and receiving encouragement from people who recognize her on the trails. To say she should be more thick-skinned to be here, well that's pretty raw for a forum that's supposed to be family-friendly.
CT's unique in that it's not just focussed on one activity - but draws from a diverse crowd. If that means having to be more 'welcoming' at times, well, I don't think that's such a high price to pay.
I don't think you're referring to the original poster when you say:
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I am referencing the fact that for a number of people who are calling for moderators, what they are actually saying is 'please stop people from saying things I don't like but can't seem to stop myself from responding to'
I do agree with him when he says:
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The reason I bring this up is, I really enjoy this site, but hate that the site gets labelled according to a few loud mouthed bad apples with too much time on their hands. It's time this site gets labelled by the majority of it's members...you know, those contributing TR's and other useful outdoor information.
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Surrey, BC
Canada
1001 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2012 : 5:35 PM
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Originally posted by LongShadow
I had actually made Darren a moderator a few days ago. I should have sent out an announcement.
Awesome. Thanks Jim and Darren...two thumbs up!! : ) |
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Posted - 05/11/2012 : 6:08 PM
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I like the idea of a few more moderators, but it's not because I get offended about what people post. I don't care if someone uses coarse words. I'm not comfortable contributing trips I've done with friends and family knowing that one thread over, there's liable to be some guy throwing a fit and posting his phone number to arrange a face to face "talk". I just don't want to publicly associate with that. If those types of threads get nixed more quickly, great.
There are a lot of members on this forum, and everyone is not just going to get along. The terms of use recognize that, and I think more encouragement to follow them is a good thing given some of the train wreck threads we've had. |
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Vancouver, BC
Canada
1461 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2012 : 7:23 PM
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I love how people are afraid to admit that they're for censorship. The forum rules explicitly state that the forum imposes censorship. Try starting a thread about samsquanches. Quit dancing around and just admit it.
CT is incredibly tame by Internet standards. It amazes me what people get worked up about here. I'm interested to hear more about this bad apple reputation. Am I missing something? |
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Finally stopping that crazy suffering that is ice, climbing to concentrate on great ski tours!
3502 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2012 : 7:27 PM
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Let's vote in a few moderators?