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Posted - 04/21/2012 : 11:02 AM
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Dave,
Why isn't this ad, and others of yours a violation of Clubtread's terms of use? Have you been granted an exception?
It would appear that www.noronalife.com is your commercial for profit concern benefitting you specifically. Second, you appear to be a paid "Ambassador" selling ABS airbags too.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr_G2eg8_qQ" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr_G2eg8_qQ" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr_G2eg8_qQ
Clubtread Terms of Use Rule forbidding commercial endorsements for which the poster has a "vested interest."
"6.No advertising or links to advertising or "Spam" is permitted.
?Advertising or Spam is defined as posting a link for the purpose of selling, soliciting or promoting by someone that has ownership or other "vested interest" to the web site involved, including efforts to promote other online forums or web sites (with competing features) by web site owners or members.
?Posts and links about fundraising (including nonprofit fundraisers) are NOT permitted.
?Only links to personal home pages are allowed in signatures, member profiles and in the submit a site section.
?Links to helpful web sites (commercial or otherwise) are allowed when they are posted by someone without any "vested interest" AND whose purpose is NOT to solicit, advertise, promote, fundraise, etc.
?These rules include forum messages, signatures, and forum emails."
Is there any limit to the personal commercial interests that you can promote here? Many of your posts here are commercial endorsements of products and services for which you personally profit. I don't recall too many good words to say about competing products, even if they receive superior reviews.
In my opinion, Mammut Snowpulse may have the best airbag available because it is purpose designed to protect the head, neck, and torso from blunt force trauma, which is a serious threat especially in the proximity of trees, exposed rock, cliff drops, etc.
The Snowpulse airbag also features an asymmetrical volume which should tend to self-right the victim's head and body in a much more favourable upright orientation, similar to a SOLAS rated life jacket which is designed ensure an immersion victim is self-righted with their head above water. The ABS airbags, deployed behind the head and back, may cause the victim to be buried face down, exposing their airway to a greater degree of blockage by forcefully packed snow.
Snowpulse airbag trauma protection, with self-righting feature
 
ABS airbag with face down, airway blockage risk, and head exposed to trauma
 
The efficacy of ABS' wireless simultaneous group deployment is debatable. One can envision some undesirable scenarios for the simultaneous group deployment, which your commercial endorses without qualification. If skiers/boarders/riders are proceeding one-at-a-time through the danger zone, according to accepted safety protocol, then a group deployment doesn't make sense. The rescue companions, hopefully in a safe zone, should remain with their individual undeployed airbags if they should have to come to the aid of a victim, in case there is risk of secondary avalanches. Rescue companions would also have their movement hindered by a big inflated airbag as they're traversing a treacherous avalanched slope that has been scraped down to bedrock, trees, and stumps to reach a victim. ABS' Wireless deployment might just be a technology feature searching for a purpose. It might be good for an ABS salesperson to tick off some technology feature which has dubious value.
For a more comphrehensive, balanced review of airbags, checkout this review of SnowPulse, BCA, and ABS. SnowPulse wins because it offers trauma protection, and orients "head-on-top." BCA wins in the value category because it is the most affordable, starting at only $685. If you have limited funds, as many do, it's a far more efficacious decision to buy an airbag first, before a transceiver. A BD Avalung, in my opinion, is quite useless and deadly on its own, is a useful complement to an airbag, so that you have a better chance of protecting your airway from blockage.
www.skiingthebackcountry.com/ski-articles/avalanche-airbag-comparison" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">www.skiingthebackcountry.com/ski-articles/avalanche-airbag-comparison" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.skiingthebackcountry.com/ski-articles/avalanche-airbag-comparison
I say the SnowPulse also wins because the inflation cartriges can be refilled at scuba, and paintball shops for very low cost. The ABS with costly nitrogen inflation cartridges, and explosive charge handles have not proven to show superior efficacy to compressed air, and cable actuated designs of its competitors. It's very easy to practice, practice, practice with cheap compressed air cartridge refills to learn the muscle and mind memory to actuate your airbag with SnowPulse. |
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Posted - 04/21/2012 : 12:51 PM
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A BD Avalung, quite useless and deadly on its own . . . .
Can u elaborate a little more on your thought process in making this statement ?
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Posted - 04/21/2012 : 10:04 PM
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The Snowpulse airbag also features an asymmetrical volume which should tend to self-right the victim's head and body in a much more favourable upright orientation, similar to a SOLAS rated life jacket which is designed ensure an immersion victim is self-righted with their head above water. The ABS airbags, deployed behind the head and back, may cause the victim to be buried face down, exposing their airway to a greater degree of blockage by forcefully packed snow.
Interesting that you referenced SOLAS requirements. I'm guessing you're more than involved or familiar with the industry. Given the differences in densities of sliding snow, from loose to firm slab to dense wet spring avalanches, IMO there is no guarantee that any bag is going to be self-righting any better than the other. Once the dense mass of snow starts applying twisting torque on the body, you could wind up in any position. It would take a hell of lot of live tests to quantify that statistic.
Accessibility to quantify PFD results for self-righting capability in water is certainly alot easier and more cost effective. Mustang-Meta use to do numerous tests at the Newton Wave Pool on new products for starters.
BTW folks, If you are travelling with these items in your luggage on board aircraft, the detonation systems and gas cylinders are classified as hazerdous materials and have to be declared at check-in and handled as such.
IATA DGRs now refer to the following:
Passengers may carry certain articles even though the article contains dangerous goods.
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Avalanche rescue backpacks are authorized if they do not contain more than 200 mg net of explosives in Division 1.4S and / or not more than 250 milliliters of compressed gas in division 2.2.
Self-inflating life jackets are permitted if they contain not more than two small cylinders with a non-flammable gas in Division 2.2 plus not more than two spare cartridges per person. More information of what is permitted in passenger baggage.
For items that are acceptable only with approval from the airline, consult with your airline well in advance and also allow additional time for check-in.
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Posted - 04/21/2012 : 10:12 PM
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If you have limited funds, as many do, it's a far more efficacious decision to buy an airbag first, before a transceiver.
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Posted - 04/21/2012 : 10:32 PM
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Well I will answer the important and good points you bring up here and by your questions and concerns this video is actually quite good as it has sparked some great questions although you have clearly never seen or used any of these air bags.
Yes for one I am sponsored by ABS however I also am by BCA and have a snowpulse bag which was given to me so I have used all the airbags. I was going to use the BCA bag and believe it to be a great bag along with Snowpulse and Mamut however I made the choice to work with ABS after being shown the bag and the differences.
#1 ABS uses a charge in the handle, not a cable, it stopped using a cable in 1995 due to the unreliability of a cable due to rusting, stretching, (do some google homework on actual instances where people have been caught and pulled a cable actuated bag and it did not work, I know of two top sledders in Revy who were caught and this happened, they were dug out by their father and in the parking lot one 230 pound brother had to hang off the handle for it to finally open. Cable operated bags are not as reliable and that is important to me. Companies that use cable actuated bags now use a softer cable because of this problem. Cables are bad, will they work, most of the time but for the expense of these bags i am not willing to take that chance with a cable.
#2 Nitrogen is not prone to freezing, you have a cartridge in a cold climate expelling cold gas, if there is water in the line or bottle which happens with oxygen the system can freeze, not good, Nitrogen does not have this problem. Why it is used in aircrafts in the tires...
#3 Yes you can fill BCA, Mamut and Snowpulse canisters at a dive shop for $12-18 dollars. However filling a dive tank is quite easy since it is big, small cartridges like those in avy packs is much more difficult as they need to be filled and then let to sit then one last blast. A good person who is in tune and does a lot of them can do this fine, like at a good ski, snowboard or sled shop! A guy at a paintball shop making $10.00 per hour, is this the guy you trust to fill a life saving piece of equipment. Would you let the same person repack your parachute...sorry I would not. An ABS canister is refilled by a technician with a machine which is in Langley which makes no difference as all you do is bring the cartridge and handle into a shop and for $25.00 you are given a replacement handle and cartridge. Both systems are important to practice and nitrogen is no more expensive than oxygen, the expense is in the shipping of the cartridges and handles back and forth...if you want to practise hit up a snowmobile show at the beginning of the season and they usually will do it for free, I know abs does.
The abs cartridge and handle to buy is also $135.00, and it is good to have a spare so if you are on a trip you can reload one in the field. A spare cartridge for the other brands is $235.00, look on the web sites. I also ask you to watch a video on how to replace your o-rings when you do refill your snowpulse, bca or mamut cartridge as this has to be done by you after each deployment. I watched the 7 minute video and came to the conclusion that no person is qualified to do that since they do it so infrequently and the o-rings are so small good luck doing that in the field. The way the abs is done it is dead simple so basically it is the same as a spare air cartridge to fill your tire on a bike, the other brands you have disconnect stuff and change o-rings, not easy!
#4 The ABS backpack uses the largest bag in the industry by far and has two of them which offers you two chances as if one is punctured the other one will still keep a person on top of the snow. BCA and Mamut are the smallest and come out of the top. Snowpulse has one and goes around your head and now their vest models are more like BCA and Mamut which are all single bags, if it pops then that is it.
#5 I know you have never used any of these bags as you have not had a snowpulse around your head. Try skiing down or riding a sled with it encased around your head, you have zero vision sideways and can see only forward and you also can't move...all rear airbags allow you full movement infact you can ski all day or sled all day with it open and you want notice it, sorry but try it. I have!
#6 Snowpulse has come up with an idea that an air bag will save you from neck and head injuries. Sorry but fail again, No AIR BAG, I repeat no air bag will save your head or neck from hitting a tree or rock or sled or whatever at mach chicken. They are very strong but if you hit a tree hard the chances are it will pop. The only way to protect your neck and head is to never be caught or wear a helmet.
#7 I also suggest you take all these bags and blow them off, hmm have not done that yet, well then you don't know that while all of them are easy to repack except for the snowpulse that goes around your neck. It folds into the harness straps in a horseshoe pattern and it a bitch to fold up.
#8 Now for the wireless. It is easy to try and find senerios that the wireless system wont work in but again you failed since if you and I and two others were all linked in an alliance together, and then on one run we hit a tight chute where you were going to ski down solo for safety and we were going to watch, then you can hit one button and it takes you out of the system so if you pulled your bag then it would go off but no ones bag who was watching would, but if I was watching and I saw it go before you did then I would pull mine and yours would go off, now as you stated if you did get buried I could still ski down to you with my bag deployed since it is not wrapped around my head like a snowpulse does and rescue you and also if a secondary avy came down my bag is already inflated, this is not an air bag like a car, it stays inflated. You may think I have no qualifications but I am probably one person in north amaerica who has triggered more bags than most as I have boxes of cartridges and set them off all the time, likewise with the wireless, I also make sure people who i see out there that have abs pack have set them off and if they have not in a while I ask if they want to do it and replace their cartridge right there since the more they set it off the more likely they will do it when the crap hits the fan so to speak. if anyone has an abs and wants to set it off ever just contact me and I will replace your cartridge and handle for free.
#9 The point of airbags is to make you a bigger nut as the bigger nuts float to the top and the smaller ones go to the bottom. If you on the top it does not matter which way your orientated as you are ontop. There is not guarantee that any avy bag will have you ideally placed as it is the law of physics and really all that matters is your on top not at the bottom. The idea the a snowpulse with a bag that wraps around your head will arrive you at the bottom in the perfectly paced position is absurd. Again a helmet is the only thing that will protect your head from trauma, not ANY air bag
#10 Most heli ski operations and cat ski operators are now using air bags as well as Ruedi B and I was talking to Lars about using them at Whitecap which will happen for next year...they work and all the problems people believe with them were the same things people were talking about when beacons were first introduced.
#11 Your comment about having an airbag over a beacon is a dangerous one and tells me you dont ski, sled or do backcountry missions since a beacon, shovel and probe are extremely important, they also save other people, an air bag is also important and will become standard equipment for most in the future but it is for you not for saving someone else unless you are using this wireless system and for the one occasion where you watch your buddy ski and the whole slope goes and you see it before they do this wireless system is worth it just for that, however there are many other uses for it.
#12 Lastly price. People choose price and yes BCA is the cheapest however if I am going to spend a lot of money on a safety product I do a lot of research on them and once you do the research of all the above then it makes sense to spend more to get a better product. if you want to save money then buy a used one, there are a bunch out there and also one of the guys who I guide with has had his ABS 50 liter for 6 years. Basically $200.00 a year for a life saving piece of gear and it works perfectly since we set it off all the time to test. The other nice thing about ABS is that you can zip in bags. I have smaller ones for backcountry skiing and bigger ones for sledding and ski or sled trips. The base unit satys the same but larger and different packs can be zipped in so again you can have a 5 liter, 15 liter, 18 liter, 25 liter and 40 liter pack all in one back pack and then also by a regular back pack base unit for summer where all those bags zip into for hiking etc...no other system has that and dynafit and other companies now make back packs that zip into the abs base unit.
Lastly I can get any bag however I choose ABS and I worked towards a sponsorship with them because i believe in the product and they do all the testing. Snowpulse has even changed their cartridge size so when our carbon bottle is passed by transport canada they can use it in their system, the reason they don't want to reinvent the wheel. Hope that clears up a few things but again you have the choice to purchase any air bag!
Each and every person has the ability to do their research and buy whatever they want. i am hoping to enlighten people on new ideas and products that they may not get to try test or use. You have the problem with that, I do not. If you do consistently then why do you click on my posts or bother writing in them, especially when you have no idea what your talking about because you have neither used or have one of these avy bags. Or another option might be to go buy or borrow all the bags and do a video on them all and learn about them and do a write up or video on them.
Oh yeah the video you posted which shows me talking about the ABS bag with Tobi from the head office in Germany was already posted here but thanks again for posting it! Cheers dave
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Originally posted by tzoflier
Dave,
Why isn't this ad, and others of yours a violation of Clubtread's terms of use? Have you been granted an exception?
It would appear that www.noronalife.com is your commercial for profit concern benefitting you specifically. Second, you appear to be a paid "Ambassador" selling ABS airbags too.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr_G2eg8_qQ" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr_G2eg8_qQ" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr_G2eg8_qQ
Clubtread Terms of Use Rule forbidding commercial endorsements for which the poster has a "vested interest."
"6.No advertising or links to advertising or "Spam" is permitted.
?Advertising or Spam is defined as posting a link for the purpose of selling, soliciting or promoting by someone that has ownership or other "vested interest" to the web site involved, including efforts to promote other online forums or web sites (with competing features) by web site owners or members.
?Posts and links about fundraising (including nonprofit fundraisers) are NOT permitted.
?Only links to personal home pages are allowed in signatures, member profiles and in the submit a site section.
?Links to helpful web sites (commercial or otherwise) are allowed when they are posted by someone without any "vested interest" AND whose purpose is NOT to solicit, advertise, promote, fundraise, etc.
?These rules include forum messages, signatures, and forum emails."
Is there any limit to the personal commercial interests that you can promote here? Many of your posts here are commercial endorsements of products and services for which you personally profit. I don't recall too many good words to say about competing products, even if they receive superior reviews.
In my opinion, Mammut Snowpulse may have the best airbag available because it is purpose designed to protect the head, neck, and torso from blunt force trauma, which is a serious threat especially in the proximity of trees, exposed rock, cliff drops, etc.
The Snowpulse airbag also features an asymmetrical volume which should tend to self-right the victim's head and body in a much more favourable upright orientation, similar to a SOLAS rated life jacket which is designed ensure an immersion victim is self-righted with their head above water. The ABS airbags, deployed behind the head and back, may cause the victim to be buried face down, exposing their airway to a greater degree of blockage by forcefully packed snow.
Snowpulse airbag trauma protection, with self-righting feature
ABS airbag with face down, airway blockage risk, and head exposed to trauma
The efficacy of ABS' wireless simultaneous group deployment is debatable. One can envision some undesirable scenarios for the simultaneous group deployment, which your commercial endorses without qualification. If skiers/boarders/riders are proceeding one-at-a-time through the danger zone, according to accepted safety protocol, then a group deployment doesn't make sense. The rescue companions, hopefully in a safe zone, should remain with their individual undeployed airbags if they should have to come to the aid of a victim, in case there is risk of secondary avalanches. Rescue companions would also have their movement hindered by a big inflated airbag as they're traversing a treacherous avalanched slope that has been scraped down to bedrock, trees, and stumps to reach a victim. ABS' Wireless deployment might just be a technology feature searching for a purpose. It might be good for an ABS salesperson to tick off some technology feature which has dubious value.
For a more comphrehensive, balanced review of airbags, checkout this review of SnowPulse, BCA, and ABS. SnowPulse wins because it offers trauma protection, and orients "head-on-top." BCA wins in the value category because it is the most affordable, starting at only $685. If you have limited funds, as many do, it's a far more efficacious decision to buy an airbag first, before a transceiver. A BD Avalung, quite useless and deadly on its own, is a useful complement to an airbag, so that you have a better chance of protecting your airway from blockage.
www.skiingthebackcountry.com/ski-articles/avalanche-airbag-comparison" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">www.skiingthebackcountry.com/ski-articles/avalanche-airbag-comparison" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.skiingthebackcountry.com/ski-articles/avalanche-airbag-comparison
I say the SnowPulse also wins because the inflation cartriges can be refilled at scuba, and paintball shops for very low cost. The ABS with costly nitrogen inflation cartridges, and explosive charge handles have not proven to show superior efficacy to compressed air, and cable actuated designs of its competitors. It's very easy to practice, practice, practice with cheap compressed air cartridge refills to learn the muscle and mind memory to actuate your airbag with SnowPulse.
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Posted - 04/21/2012 : 10:46 PM
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Originally posted by pmicheals
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If you have limited funds, as many do, it's a far more efficacious decision to buy an airbag first, before a transceiver.
Now that's a dangerous bit of advice
Very Dangerous!
In my opinion should go
beacon, shovel and probe
avy course
air bag
as many avy courses as you can do and travel with people who make good choices and are willing to turn back and people who are out all the time as when you are out all the time you see the changes that happen every day.
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Posted - 04/22/2012 : 08:38 AM
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from trollzoflier - If you have limited funds, as many do, it's a far more efficacious decision to buy an airbag first, before a transceiver.
Now that's a dangerous bit of advice
tzofliers' advice is incredibly dangerous and in my opinion it should be held civilly and criminally liable for any damage or injury caused to any person who follows its advice. |
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Posted - 04/22/2012 : 7:58 PM
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Originally posted by LeeL
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Originally posted by pmicheals
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from trollzoflier - If you have limited funds, as many do, it's a far more efficacious decision to buy an airbag first, before a transceiver.
Now that's a dangerous bit of advice
tzofliers' advice is incredibly dangerous and in my opinion it should be held civilly and criminally liable for any damage or injury caused to any person who follows its advice.
Tell me you're kidding and not just one of *those* lawyers.
Anyone who takes their advice from an internet message board without further research deserves whatever happens to them as a result.
tzoflier's bad advice aside, we really could use some clarification on that rule. It seems that the running standard is that if it's a regular member, we don't censor them if they do post something that works towards personal gain and only enforce the restriction if someone random comes in to post.
But it would be of worth to sort out exactly what does and doesn't count as a violation rather than it coming up periodically with these half stuff-promo / half personal-promo posts. |
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Posted - 04/23/2012 : 1:03 PM
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Busguy,
Yes, in my considered opinion, the efficacy of the BD avalung is critically below the threshold I would consider acceptable for the intended purpose of saving lives of avalanche victims. The design premise is flawed IMHO because it allows for burial. It solves the wrong problem, trying to extract some breathable air for a buried victim. The most important challenge is to avoid burial, which an airbag can do.
Many buried avalanche victims die from asphyxiation caused by the immense weight and pressure of snow compressing their chest so that drawing full or partial breaths is impaired. An Avalung might improve a victims' ability to draw some air and maybe exhaust the CO2 away from the intake, but heavy, densely compacted avalanche debris that is impairing their breathing function would diminish that function.
Like with transceivers, the efficacy of the Avalung fails also IMHO because it relies on companion rescue. Finding a buried victim is usually less of a problem, than digging them out, especially in a deep or even medium burial, not to mention multiple burials. Digging is seriously strenuous physical labour in avalanche debris. Reaching the site of the victim can add many minutes if they are uphill of your position across debris or unconsolidated snow, or the avalanche has transported them far down slope, and out of sight. Then you have to transceiver search successfully, probe strike, then dig furiously. You have about 15min maximum to extricate a buried victim to save their life, and brain death can begin immediately if the victim has no air or impaired breathing function. How many additional minutes, if any, that an Avalung would offer a buried victim is conjecture, and its efficacy is impossibly difficult to determine. This is a very faint hope scenario IMO.
The one useful scenario IMO for the Avalung is treewell immersions, where an airbag would be useless. NARSID or Non-Avalanche Related Snow Immersion asphyxiation is different than that caused by avalanches because the victim isn't buried and compressed by heavy, dense snow. If an Avalung is used successfully, it is reasonable to hope that the victim will continue to have a supply of fresh air to breathe until hopefully a buddy, who has been following safety protocol, observing from a safe position, is able to bring help to extricate them.
http://www.treewelldeepsnowsafety.com/ |
Edited by - tzoflier on 04/23/2012 1:25 PM |
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Posted - 04/23/2012 : 1:16 PM
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Dave,
You wrote:
"ABS... stopped using a cable in 1995 due to unreliability of a cable due to rusting, stretching"
"Cable operated bags are not as reliable and that is important to me."
"one 230 pound brother had to hang off the handle for it to finally open."
"two top sledders in Revy who were caught and this happened"
"Cables are bad, will they work, most of the time but for the expense of these bags i am not willing to take that chance with a cable."
Are you saying the cable actuated avalanche airbag systems of Mammut Snowpulse are unsafe to use, whose failure possibly could cause death of the user?
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Posted - 04/23/2012 : 2:00 PM
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tzoflier, im confused, for a guy who doesn't want Norona to post these threads, you sure seem to enjoy responding to them .
one would assume you would simply ignore them if you found them to be to much of an advertisement.
I found the Video interesting, Ill likely spring for a airbag system next year so learning more about them is valuable when you consider the dollars invested and the purpose of the gear. |
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Posted - 04/23/2012 : 6:41 PM
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Originally posted by tzoflier
Dave,
You wrote:
"ABS... stopped using a cable in 1995 due to unreliability of a cable due to rusting, stretching"
"Cable operated bags are not as reliable and that is important to me."
"one 230 pound brother had to hang off the handle for it to finally open."
"two top sledders in Revy who were caught and this happened"
"Cables are bad, will they work, most of the time but for the expense of these bags i am not willing to take that chance with a cable."
Are you saying the cable actuated avalanche airbag systems of Mammut Snowpulse are unsafe to use, whose failure possibly could cause death of the user?
I am saying a cable is not as reliable which is why ABS went away with it in the early 90's, they used a cable up until that point since 1985 and stopped using it because they found the charge in the handle to deliver the air that punctures the bottle to be more effective, easier to use with less force and more reliable. There also have been many users who have pulled their cable bags in the last 2 years and nothing happened or they could not pull hard enough to engage them. Any time there is any failure bad things can happen. It is not specific to one manufacture it is the cable actuation.
Also on the Mammut Bags which house the snowpulse bag, i is not the bag that goes around your head. It is one bag that comes out the back, one the one model of snowpulse does the full head bag, their vest also do the one bag out the back. Just for your information. I know the mammut bag is cheaper but there are reasons why things are cheaper, they use cheaper parts which are more complicated to use.
Oxygen canisters have proven also to be unreliable since many of them leak which is why they tell you to check the psi in them before you use the pack. The problem I have with this is that there are already so many things to remember or pack and do before you go sledding, backcountry skiing or heli/cat skiing that the average user might forget and that could cause a problem as if the canister psi is not 3000psi the bag won't inflate..
Obviously everyone has the choice of what bag to buy, I am not telling anyone which bag to buy Tzoflier which i am guessing is why you have a problem with my video. I make one video to show this product which has the web site on it so people can check it out...they choose to do that....or buy it or not...
I am lucky to get a lot of the latest pieces of gear to test and showcase, I like doing that because it shows the newest technology to people, they get to choose whether they need it or not. Why I feel it is important is I see a lot of people who don't have all the facts, purchase something then find out they should have spent a little more and got the better piece of gear and now it is more expensive to sell and buy something else. sometimes the item is cheaper or the same, lots of people don't have the luxury of trying lots of different stuff out.
Although you may think I will say anything and even lie or be dishonest to sell something that is really not true, all this shows is that you think I might do that because you would do that, when really i would not be in the line of work i am in for over 22 years if I was dishonest. I get paid to play, get over it! |
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Posted - 04/23/2012 : 9:49 PM
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Dave,
Much of the problem I have with your comments is that IMO they're full of sweeping, categorical statements about the safety, reliability, and useability of products that you criticize, but you have yet to offer any objective analysis, including full citations of the many different device failures you mention, or the general failure rates of the airbags using cable actuation. Your "analysis" is, IMO, specious, and anecdotal without such detail.
Just a small sample of what you wrote:
"I am saying a cable is not as reliable..." [because you say so?]
"Cable operated bags are not as reliable..." [because ABS couldn't devise a solution...?]
"There also have been many users who have pulled their cable bags in the last 2 years and nothing happened..." [...and you have access to a credible forensic analysis?]
"It is not specific to one manufacture it is the cable actuation." [...you've got industry incident reports for all cable actuated airbag vendors?]
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ABS Avy Pack Wireless Demo
