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Surrey, BC
Canada
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Posted - 01/29/2012 : 09:13 AM
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Hey all, I'm just wondering what brand of fuel you use for your white gas stoves. I have an MSR XGK but I can't swallow the idea of buying MSR's ridiculously branded "superfuel" for $13/L. I have seen a gallon of Coleman liquid fuel for $18 but it doesn't say anywhere on the can what type of fuel mix it is. Anyone know of a cheap(er) source of white gas?
>>> I know the XGK is a multifuel stove and could run off diesel but I would prefer to stick to WG for obvious reasons
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Posted - 01/29/2012 : 09:21 AM
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| I used to buy the 4L cans of Coleman fuel at CTC for my XGK, and it worked like a charm. It's a lot of burn time for <$20... |
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Whitehorse, YUKON
Canada
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Posted - 01/29/2012 : 09:34 AM
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Get the Coleman stuff.
It seems to last a long time as well. I have fuel that is 4 or 5 years old, and it still works well.
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Posted - 01/29/2012 : 09:38 AM
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Nothing wrong with Coleman fuel. The advantage of "superfuel" is the profit margin.
Hey, I didn't say who gets the advantage.
Diesel is not recommended! Sooty like crazy, clogs the jet, hard to light especially in the cold, but it will burn and has more heat in a litre if that is a huge concern. I ran out of fuel mountain bike touring in the Baja once and begged a bit of diesel off a diesel Toyota adventurer with jerry cans once, that's how I know. Had a great spot on a remote beach and didn't want to ride two days to town and back just for fuel. |
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Vancouver
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Posted - 01/29/2012 : 10:13 AM
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| I've used off-brands or generic white gas for years, not to mention Coleman brand, Canadian Tire, etc, with no ill effects. You don't need any "superfuel", which is probably just the same stuff with a fancy label and name. More important than brand is storage: Don't buy more than you can use in a year - the additives in some white gas can break down after a while. |
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Richmond, BC
Canada
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Posted - 01/29/2012 : 1:29 PM
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uhmmm JP4 or Jet B works really well but you have to be multifuel. Not much difference really from white gas and cheaper. JP1 is too smokey. (Yes I tested it in the whisperlite multifuel)
Seriously just get Canadian Tire brand and prefilter it prior to leaving. Biggest issue with kerosenes and white gas is water contamination. But you can't bleed it off unfortunately. So just make sure your travel container is full with no room to breathe.
I would think MSR is claiming the best with minimal contaminants and water. In that case just see your closest Heli company and tell them you want some Jet B for your stove due to harsh environmental conditions. |
Edited by - pmicheals on 01/29/2012 1:35 PM |
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Langley, BC
Canada
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Posted - 01/29/2012 : 4:43 PM
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Originally posted by pmicheals
uhmmm JP4 or Jet B works really well but you have to be multifuel. Not much difference really from white gas and cheaper. JP1 is too smokey. (Yes I tested it in the whisperlite multifuel)
Seriously just get Canadian Tire brand and prefilter it prior to leaving. Biggest issue with kerosenes and white gas is water contamination. But you can't bleed it off unfortunately. So just make sure your travel container is full with no room to breathe.
I would think MSR is claiming the best with minimal contaminants and water. In that case just see your closest Heli company and tell them you want some Jet B for your stove due to harsh environmental conditions.
Jet B is kerosene, just a lighter kerosene. It's sometimes called naphtha, but the oil industry definition if naphtha is very different from the consumer white gas definition.
With all the often toxic additives added to motor fuels these days, it's best just to stick with consumer white gas. I'd much rather have to deal with a white gas spill than a gasoline or kerosene spill. |
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Surrey, BC
Canada
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Posted - 01/29/2012 : 8:34 PM
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| Thanks for all the replies, I'll go and pick up some Coleman stuff and be done with it. Definitely a better value and a gallon will burn a looooonnnngggg time. |
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Hope, BC
Canada
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Posted - 01/29/2012 : 8:44 PM
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| All I've ever used is the Coleman brand at Canadian Tire. |
Edited by - AcesHigh on 01/29/2012 8:44 PM |
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Richmond, BC
Canada
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Posted - 01/29/2012 : 9:45 PM
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Originally posted by Matt
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Originally posted by pmicheals
uhmmm JP4 or Jet B works really well but you have to be multifuel. Not much difference really from white gas and cheaper. JP1 is too smokey. (Yes I tested it in the whisperlite multifuel)
Seriously just get Canadian Tire brand and prefilter it prior to leaving. Biggest issue with kerosenes and white gas is water contamination. But you can't bleed it off unfortunately. So just make sure your travel container is full with no room to breathe.
I would think MSR is claiming the best with minimal contaminants and water. In that case just see your closest Heli company and tell them you want some Jet B for your stove due to harsh environmental conditions.
Jet B is kerosene, just a lighter kerosene. It's sometimes called naphtha, but the oil industry definition if naphtha is very different from the consumer white gas definition.
With all the often toxic additives added to motor fuels these days, it's best just to stick with consumer white gas. I'd much rather have to deal with a white gas spill than a gasoline or kerosene spill.
Matt/Jeff
I hope you weren't taking that seriously, (notice use of word seriously and the use of emoticons?). First off you probably couldn't acquire it and secondly it is somewhat unstable pending temperatures and conditions. Jet B is a kerosene wide-cut or naptha distilleate. Jet A/A1 are not referred to as naptha fuels with A1 containing an additional anti-static additive. Coleman fuel is also considered a naptha distilleate but was historically previously referred to as white gas. It is your best choice. My apologies if you or anyone else took that seriously.
BTW Coleman type fuels at any time should always be considered as unstable and very difficult to deal with once it spills spreads and catches fire. Even in winter/snow condtions.
No matter what brand you use, pre-filter it at home to avoid contaminates. |
Edited by - pmicheals on 01/30/2012 09:38 AM |
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Langley, BC
Canada
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Posted - 01/29/2012 : 10:13 PM
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| In my experience there is no mess to deal with from white gas spills. You just wait for it to evaporate. It evaporates from the skin and doesn't leave any residue, and doesn't irritate. No toxic octane boosters like MTBE or TAME. While volatile sure, it's designed to vaporize easily, I wouldn't characterize it as unstable. |
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north van, bc
Canada
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Posted - 01/29/2012 : 11:35 PM
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| I've been using the colman stuff in my whisperlight for 10 years. I do also use one of those gas funell filters as well when filling the fuel bottles. |
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Richmond, BC
Canada
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Posted - 01/30/2012 : 09:36 AM
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Originally posted by Matt
In my experience there is no mess to deal with from white gas spills. You just wait for it to evaporate. It evaporates from the skin and doesn't leave any residue, and doesn't irritate. No toxic octane boosters like MTBE or TAME. While volatile sure, it's designed to vaporize easily, I wouldn't characterize it as unstable.
I should have said "once it spreads and catches fire" (not "or") |
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Burnaby, BC
Canada
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Posted - 01/30/2012 : 09:50 AM
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| Ya, but does it work with high-test hydrogen peroxide? |
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Climbing, a mountain
Canada
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Posted - 01/30/2012 : 09:57 AM
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I prefer to use hydrazine.  |
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Richmond, BC
Canada
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Posted - 01/30/2012 : 10:15 AM
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Originally posted by Dru
I prefer to use hydrazine.
Yeeah but you have to contact Morton Thiokol Corp for the O-ring refurbishing kit for the stove. |
Edited by - pmicheals on 01/30/2012 10:21 AM |
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Fuel for White Gas Stoves?
