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Posted - 12/31/2011 : 04:43 AM
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Has anyone been up Miller Creek recently? It used to be there were a lot of trips up Miller Creek in winter. You cross private land of the Talbot's at the bottom but there was never any problem. The Talbots never minded BC skiers using the road. Then the run-of-river power project went in and that group gated the road and prevented public access. Apparently they justify it because B.C. Assets and Land Corporation (not sure what that is) do not want ATVs in the "meadows" (more of a swamp really). Secondly, the heli-ski company in Whistler doesn't want snowmobiles in there. How convenient. They don't like BC skiers in their either. So with that double whammy, it's been difficult for BC skiers to use their traditional access.
Just wondering if anyone has got some recent info on it? |
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Vancouver, BC
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Posted - 12/31/2011 : 09:20 AM
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| Last I heard it was theoretically possible to dismantle part of the chain link fence that blocks the road near the power station with the correctly sized wrench. |
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Posted - 01/01/2012 : 09:32 AM
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| Ahhh! It's come to that. Is that like in permanently dismantle or bolt it back on return? |
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Vancouver, BC
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Posted - 01/01/2012 : 9:42 PM
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| I believe it is theoretically possible to disassemble and reassemble in a non-destructive fashion, such that no-one will be the wiser. Theoretically. |
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 Trail running, bike hucking, fast packing, beer drinking collector of pine cones on a day pass
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Dances with Trees
Forest Gnome Cabin
Canada
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Posted - 01/01/2012 : 9:56 PM
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| When I was up on the Soo/Rutherford Divide a couple years ago it looked like there might have been an approach to Ipsoot from there. Am I right in thinking that or is that a really convoluted idea, Paul? (I think it looked too good to be true because some cliffing and a lot of up and down might well be involved) |
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Posted - 01/02/2012 : 06:34 AM
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Originally posted by mick range
When I was up on the Soo/Rutherford Divide a couple years ago it looked like there might have been an approach to Ipsoot from there. Am I right in thinking that or is that a really convoluted idea, Paul? (I think it looked too good to be true because some cliffing and a lot of up and down might well be involved)
Hi Mick, yes there are three approaches from Rutherford Creek FSR: Km 5, 8 and 15.5. The last one is documented here: http://www.clubtread.com/sforum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=30614&SearchTerms=ipsoot
It's not that you can't get to Ipsoot. It's just that traditional access to the backcountry all along Sea and Die/Sea to Sky is under threat. (Deeks - new gate and housing; Brohm - GAS; Chance Creek/Cloudburst - Powder Mountain snowcat; Callaghan - WOP, Callaghan Country, dog sled tours; Cougar Mountain - ATV/dog sled; Ipsoot - run of river.) |
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Trail running, bike hucking, fast packing, beer drinking collector of pine cones on a day pass
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Dances with Trees
Forest Gnome Cabin
Canada
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Posted - 01/02/2012 : 09:41 AM
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| Thanks for the info, I really like the whole area a lot. I definitely see your point though-it is not fair to deny traditional access on public lands |
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Posted - 01/02/2012 : 3:45 PM
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Originally posted by Stoked
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Originally posted by mick range
When I was up on the Soo/Rutherford Divide a couple years ago it looked like there might have been an approach to Ipsoot from there. Am I right in thinking that or is that a really convoluted idea, Paul? (I think it looked too good to be true because some cliffing and a lot of up and down might well be involved)
Hi Mick, yes there are three approaches from Rutherford Creek FSR: Km 5, 8 and 15.5. The last one is documented here: http://www.clubtread.com/sforum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=30614&SearchTerms=ipsoot
It's not that you can't get to Ipsoot. It's just that traditional access to the backcountry all along Sea and Die/Sea to Sky is under threat. (Deeks - new gate and housing; Brohm - GAS; Chance Creek/Cloudburst - Powder Mountain snowcat; Callaghan - WOP, Callaghan Country, dog sled tours; Cougar Mountain - ATV/dog sled; Ipsoot - run of river.)
Not to mention snowmobilers in many other places such as Rainbow. Would things be any worse if the FMCBC didn't exist? Just asking. |
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Posted - 01/02/2012 : 4:03 PM
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Originally posted by sgRant
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Originally posted by Stoked
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Originally posted by mick range
When I was up on the Soo/Rutherford Divide a couple years ago it looked like there might have been an approach to Ipsoot from there. Am I right in thinking that or is that a really convoluted idea, Paul? (I think it looked too good to be true because some cliffing and a lot of up and down might well be involved)
Hi Mick, yes there are three approaches from Rutherford Creek FSR: Km 5, 8 and 15.5. The last one is documented here: http://www.clubtread.com/sforum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=30614&SearchTerms=ipsoot
It's not that you can't get to Ipsoot. It's just that traditional access to the backcountry all along Sea and Die/Sea to Sky is under threat. (Deeks - new gate and housing; Brohm - GAS; Chance Creek/Cloudburst - Powder Mountain snowcat; Callaghan - WOP, Callaghan Country, dog sled tours; Cougar Mountain - ATV/dog sled; Ipsoot - run of river.)
Not to mention snowmobilers in many other places such as Rainbow. Would things be any worse if the FMCBC didn't exist? Just asking.
I think all the FMCBC has come up with is the Backcountry Accord. I don't think it's working.
Forgot to add Brew Hut via Brew Creek - threatened by the RV park; Spearhead - threatened with hut building by some kind of quasi heli-everything/mountain clubs/commercial/FMCBC/BC Parks unholy alliance. Whew, need to draw a breath after that last volley! |
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Vancouver, BC
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Posted - 01/02/2012 : 4:14 PM
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So what are you going to do about it?
Talk is cheap, especially on clubtread. |
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Vancouver, BC
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Posted - 01/02/2012 : 4:43 PM
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There will be an election soon. That will be the time for action.
The next scheduled election is May 14, 2013 but the BC Liberals have ignored the fixed election date law in almost every election. There would have been one already but Christy's poll numbers are so bad she changed her mind. But she will run out of time eventually. |
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Posted - 01/02/2012 : 6:44 PM
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Originally posted by scottN
So what are you going to do about it?
That's always an excellent point. Perhaps the outdoor opportunities for the self-propelled are inevitably limited by the economic power wielded by the participants, in an "economy" that marginalizes much of what's most important.
Evidence of this is the network of shameful hiking "trails" on the north shore, above a metropolis of about 1.5 million people.
I wonder if the resources poured into the FMCBC's efforts would have been better expended by hiring a skilled professional lobbyist. I've always thought MEC's environmental funding should include this. Lobbying, though distasteful, is a fundamental component of how our competitors for outdoor space advance their interests. |
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Vancouver, BC
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Posted - 01/02/2012 : 7:20 PM
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| There just was an election in November, and recreation access issues didn't even make it onto the radar screen. |
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Whistler, BC
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Posted - 01/02/2012 : 9:53 PM
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| Another access to Miller is up the old logging road on the north side that leaves the Pemberton Meadows Road just before the first bridge over the Ryan. It's a fairly quick climb up the mountainside and there's even an old slash that was made for a snowcat that leads to wide-open meadows. The route is often packed by snowmachines that are accessing the area to avoid the gate at the ROTR site. |
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Posted - 01/02/2012 : 9:55 PM
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Spearhead - threatened with hut building by some kind of quasi heli-everything/mountain clubs/commercial/FMCBC/BC Parks unholy alliance.
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Posted - 01/02/2012 : 11:25 PM
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Originally posted by Stoked
Chance Creek/Cloudburst - Powder Mountain snowcat)
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Posted - 01/02/2012 : 11:32 PM
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I think all the FMCBC has come up with is the Backcountry Accord. I don't think it's working.
Wow. That's quite a narrow view... but don't try to expand your horizons too quickly - you could get vertigo.
And to paraphrase what Scott said is that passionately held opinions that are not acted on is like farting in the wind - makes you feel good but doesn't really effect change. |
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Posted - 01/03/2012 : 06:03 AM
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Originally posted by msulkers
Another access to Miller is up the old logging road on the north side that leaves the Pemberton Meadows Road just before the first bridge over the Ryan. It's a fairly quick climb up the mountainside and there's even an old slash that was made for a snowcat that leads to wide-open meadows. The route is often packed by snowmachines that are accessing the area to avoid the gate at the ROTR site.
Is that more useful for Miller Creek North Fork than the South Fork? I saw a Sugarloaf TR on CT by SimonC. I think they took that road. If so, it got them into North Fork and north side of Rhododendron. |
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Posted - 01/03/2012 : 06:05 AM
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Originally posted by scottN
So what are you going to do about it?
Talk is cheap, especially on clubtread.
Sorry Scott. Do about what? |
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Posted - 01/03/2012 : 06:12 AM
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Originally posted by LeeL
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Originally posted by Stoked
Chance Creek/Cloudburst - Powder Mountain snowcat)
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I threw that in because we got challenged by the snowcat operator about parking on the road. We left plenty of room on the side. Point #2: so we use the groomed road? Pretty soon, do they start charging a grooming fee, like Callaghan Country to Callaghan Lake?
It's like with the RV lot at Brandywine. They plow the road and pretty soon start thinking they own it and the backcountry. Not a huge threat, I allow, but taken to an extreme it could prevent access.
We also got challenged on Cougar Mountain by an agressive ATVer who was running the operation there. Didn't like us "trespassing" on her operation. Like, if I can drive my Pathfinder there, why would her clients rent her ATVs?
Small stuff but it adds up. |
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Posted - 01/03/2012 : 06:13 AM
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Originally posted by msulkers
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Spearhead - threatened with hut building by some kind of quasi heli-everything/mountain clubs/commercial/FMCBC/BC Parks unholy alliance.
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Controversial I know and a bit tongue in cheek. Perhaps we can take it up on another thread. |
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Ipsoot - Miller Creek access
