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langley, b.c.
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Posted - 01/09/2004 : 10:26 PM
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hay
whats with the antipersparent on your feet |
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Vancouver, BC
Canada
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Posted - 01/09/2004 : 11:54 PM
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I tried antiperspirant on my feet for climbing Denali...and no, it wasn't because the other climbers asked me to.  Not sure of how effective it was...on summit day my feet were still extremely cold and it had not stopped perspiration either.
Wet feet can be extrememly dangerous at high altitude and even with the wicking action of modern socks it is still a problem. The antiperspirant is supposed to reduce the sweating if it has been applied for a sufficient period of time prior to the trip.
I know a Russian climber whose feet used to sweat at high altitude inside his double boots. The sweat would permeate his liners and then freeze. On Denali he decided that the best way for him to protect his feet would be to put his feet in plastic bags so that the sweat wouldn't reach the liners. He didn't make the summit and now only has 7 toes. |
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 Outdoors addicted flyfishing, skiing, snowshoeing, hiking car crooner and resident motormouth
Da'Wack, BC
Canada
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Posted - 01/10/2004 : 01:17 AM
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On Denali he decided that the best way for him to protect his feet would be to put his feet in plastic bags so that the sweat wouldn't reach the liners. He didn't make the summit and now only has 7 toes.
Yeesh! You'd think someone preparing for that climb would have realized that the lack of breatheablility of a plastic sheet would have resulted frozen extremities!!!!  Bad way to find out...... |
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langley, b.c.
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Posted - 01/10/2004 : 01:31 AM
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hay its me
my brother has the same problem and says he puts bags over his sockes becuse his liners get to wet from the sweat he says this worked in sask at - 40 dont know
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opinionated-stove huggin'-fleece wearin'-arse burnin' hill virgin
Here
Canada
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Posted - 01/10/2004 : 01:38 AM
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Wearing vapor barrier liners on your feet is not uncommon with cold weather travellers or climbers.
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ass wigglin, cheese lovin, 4x4 drivin, apostrophe hatin, hiking chick who loves camping on snow
spaceship..
Canada
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Posted - 01/10/2004 : 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by Rapscallion
I know a Russian climber whose feet used to sweat at high altitude inside his double boots. The sweat would permeate his liners and then freeze. On Denali he decided that the best way for him to protect his feet would be to put his feet in plastic bags so that the sweat wouldn't reach the liners. He didn't make the summit and now only has 7 toes.
sorry to hear this, but thankful that some ppl share their experiences, both good and bad, so that we can all have the advantage of learning what works and what doesnt. |
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Vancouver, BC
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Posted - 01/10/2004 : 10:23 PM
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| Absolutely Hiker Boy ... vabour barrier liners can be good - though I have found some brands to have a limited lifespan. The mistake my Russian friend made was not in using a 'barrier', but because he put his foot directly into it...not between his sock and his liner! |
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Outdoors addicted flyfishing, skiing, snowshoeing, hiking car crooner and resident motormouth
Da'Wack, BC
Canada
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Posted - 01/11/2004 : 02:10 AM
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Absolutely Hiker Boy ... vabour barrier liners can be good - though I have found some brands to have a limited lifespan. The mistake my Russian friend made was not in using a 'barrier', but because he put his foot directly into it...not between his sock and his liner!
Interesting Robin! I'm curious as to how this works as the body perspires? (in this case the foot ) Are the liners used in High Alt. That different from the typical wicking liners we are all used to? Wouldn't the moisture result in heat loss? and be a problem when there is no breatheability, even with liners What's the "madness" behind the method so to speak Very curious....
Nevermind just found it!! quote:
When you are active, like snowshoeing, and you are wearing a vapor barrier such as a vapor barrier sock, you must carefully monitor how you sweat. If you are someone who sweats a lot with activity, your foot and polypropylene liner sock may be totally soaked before the body shuts down sweating. Having this liquid water next to the skin is going to lead to increased heat loss. If you don't sweat much, your body may shut down perspiration at the foot before it gets actually wet. This is when the vapor barrier system is working. The important point is that heat loss comes from water changing state from a liquid to a gas. Liquid water next to the skin leads to significant heat loss. Water vapor next to the skin does not. You must experiment to determine if vapor barrier systems will work for you.
hmmmmmm now I'm wondering if there are statistics associated with this....*yawn* should probably get some sleep first though If you have any info to add Robin, I'd be interested in reading it!
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Kootenay Bud
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Posted - 01/11/2004 : 7:13 PM
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| The vapour barriers (you usually put them on over your liner socks but below your thick socks) keep the sweat in. The idea is (as far as I understand it) that once a certain moisture point is reached your feet stop sweating. In practice they work great. You get only your thin socks wet (which you can easily dry in the tent) and you keep your boots (or your inner boots in the case of double boots) dry. You can use plastic bags (but they seem to very quickly get holes) and I have also made them out of coated nylon. They last for about a season of winter use. I've found they work great. |
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Outdoors addicted flyfishing, skiing, snowshoeing, hiking car crooner and resident motormouth
Da'Wack, BC
Canada
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Posted - 01/11/2004 : 7:16 PM
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Thanks Sandy! I just read your post in: http://www.clubtread.com/sforum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4099
Very interesting! I'll have to give this a try on my next overnighter. Coated nylon? How does one get their hands on some of this?
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Kootenay Bud
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Posted - 01/12/2004 : 07:43 AM
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| I buy it from Textile Outfitters in Calgary (they do mail order) but sometimes you can get it from the regular fabric shops (e.g. Fanny's, Fabricland) as well. |
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Posted - 01/14/2004 : 9:15 PM
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I was reading this and wondered if anyone did this:
"It is best to use alcohol or lighter fluid rather than trying to prime the stove with white gas."
What's the idea behind this idea?
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Posted - 01/15/2004 : 08:57 AM
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on the cold feet topic
i have heard of skiers(downhill) putting black pepper in thier socks
so when they sweatthe peper enters the pores and warms(or so it feels?)
thier feet
anybody ever hear of this crazy stunt?????????//
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Seattle, WA
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Posted - 01/15/2004 : 09:23 AM
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Originally posted by goeresp
I was reading this and wondered if anyone did this:
"It is best to use alcohol or lighter fluid rather than trying to prime the stove with white gas."
What's the idea behind this idea?
I believe this is suggeseted to reduce the flare-ups that can happen with white gas. I've also seen suggestions to use a bit of sterno in the priming cup, or some other primer paste. Personally, I never bother.
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Originally posted by Gaiter
on the cold feet topic
i have heard of skiers(downhill) putting black pepper in thier socks
so when they sweatthe peper enters the pores and warms(or so it feels?)
thier feet
anybody ever hear of this crazy stunt?????????//
I've heard of this, but not personally tried it. Black pepper is warming. Think of how your mouth and throat feel if you get a good dose of it. Transfer that to your feet. Could do the same with dried cayenne pepper or other chilies, but I wouldn't recommend it, as they tend to be much hotter, and the oils released can actually burn your skin.
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Vancouver, BC
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Posted - 01/15/2004 : 10:55 AM
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[/quote] hmmmmmm now I'm wondering if there are statistics associated with this....*yawn* should probably get some sleep first though If you have any info to add Robin, I'd be interested in reading it!
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Not too much to add in the way of statistics. Last year I saw more than my fair share of frostbite on peoples feet. Most of the problems could be attributed to ignoring the bodies messages and not understanding the basics of how to keep your extremities warm. |
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