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Van, BC
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Posted - 10/03/2010 : 11:34 AM
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Mick said what I was thinking and better than I could have.
-Ryan
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Hope, BC
Canada
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Posted - 10/03/2010 : 12:16 PM
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There is zero excuse to be overly rude to people period, there is no defence in this case whatsoever. I'm talking over the long haul, not the tent thread, all of them. I don't think this guy needs anyone to stick up for him, he is a big boy, and describe to the group why he should be offensive, not only to regular members but also newcomers.
If I was moderator of this board this would be his last shot, if hew blew it he'd be gone.
Regardless if his info is valuable or not, I wouldnt care one bit.
(So he goes back to the tent thread and causes more crap, then he opens another thread about banning people... What is with this guy???) |
Edited by - AcesHigh on 10/03/2010 12:17 PM |
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Trail running, bike hucking, fast packing, beer drinking collector of pine cones on a day pass
AKA
Dances with Trees
Forest Gnome Cabin
Canada
13090 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2010 : 12:31 PM
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Hey, we can agree to disagree. You obviously would benefit by using the Ignore button more liberally, whereas I don't believe in using it for any reason. Where are we going to draw the line? I've been annoyed by lots of people, some who use profanities, and plenty whose language is absolutely free of curse words, but I would choose not to censor anyone. |
Edited by - mick range on 10/03/2010 12:36 PM |
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Alberta-based choss climbin', flame throwin', rappel lovin', ass talkin' hater who doesn't like "Gumby" for a descriptor
6302 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2010 : 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by AcesHigh
over the long haul, not the tent thread, all of them.
All of them? Severe exaggertion on your part.
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(So he goes back to the tent thread and causes more crap,
In the interest of full disclosure I said
- "The hypocrisy just reached an all time high."
after Aklinz said
- "Please, why do you dignify this childish little brat with a response ? I learned a long time ago to just ignore his mis-spelled, vitriolic little tantrums."
But hey, that wouldn't really fit in with the picture you are trying to paint of me. In your version I used extreme language and insults in reply to his gentle non insulting way of posting towards me.
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then he opens another thread about banning people... What is with this guy???)
Parody...
Seriously Aces, you have nothing on me. The more you post the more you prove your points are poor.
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Hope, BC
Canada
7131 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2010 : 3:50 PM
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I've made my points, others have made theirs, lets just see how things go in the future.
I don't need ignore, nor will I use it. |
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Edmonton, Alberta
Canada
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Posted - 10/03/2010 : 5:48 PM
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This seems to have become a 'Shall We Ban T2C' thread, despite what the title and first post suggest.
I think his brand of honesty and experience behind the opinions he posts are great. And often very entertaining.
It would probably be better with a little less being drawn into pointless personal arguments and name-calling matches though. But lots of times, the people arguing with T2C are, as he states, guilty of this too.
How about a bit less profanity from everyone, and a bit less childishness from everyone, but by all means keep up the opinionated replies. |
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Finally stopping that crazy suffering that is ice, climbing to concentrate on great ski tours!
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Posted - 10/03/2010 : 6:22 PM
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From a pragmatic standpoint, no poster has provided me with more information and advice than T2C. Awesome beta concerning climbing routes, ski descents and general conditions around LL/Banff/K-Country has been so helpful. We've had great discussions about chopping weight from expedition ski mountaineering packs and many, many other topics.
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Qualicum Beach, BC
Canada
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Posted - 10/03/2010 : 6:45 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by time2clmb
Also, "offensive" is subjective and different for each individual. "f" bombs are really quite common, and I think perhaps the old generation may not be as used to it. God forbid any of you should ever work construction or oil and gas or some thing along those lines. You might have a coronary.
I work in construction and have no problem saying something like "the fucking saw is broke again", but if I called one of my co-workers a "fucking idiot", I would be asking to be punched out. That is how it happens in the real world. I have no problem with someone using a cuss word occasionally, but I do find it pretty ignorant sounding when a person uses cuss words as hyphen's or instead of saying uhh, or maybe duh.
Peter
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Alberta-based choss climbin', flame throwin', rappel lovin', ass talkin' hater who doesn't like "Gumby" for a descriptor
6302 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2010 : 6:59 PM
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"fucking idiot", I would be asking to be punched out
It would depend on the tone and how well you knew the person and in what context you said it. If some holier than though jack ass insulted me and made snide comments to me I would not, and have not in the real world, hesitate to tell them off.... THAT'S how it works. Not many people smile back at you and bite their tongue when you insult them in person unless they are gutless. |
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Qualicum Beach, BC
Canada
1332 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2010 : 7:10 PM
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Originally posted by Rachelo
The reason the moderators aren't banning, is that this is a pretty open site. Many people don't have an issue with the exchanges. If you don't want to read someone, ignore them. I don't see why you're concerned about missing the flow of conversation if you don't want to see anything including that person anyways.
If it's a thread that you have started and you are bombarded with crass comments, that essentially railroad your thread into something of a flame war, it's pretty hard to ignore all of the negativity, when all you wanted in the first place was discussion and exchange of information.
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Qualicum Beach, BC
Canada
1332 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2010 : 7:23 PM
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Originally posted by johngenx
From a pragmatic standpoint, no poster has provided me with more information and advice than T2C. Awesome beta concerning climbing routes, ski descents and general conditions around LL/Banff/K-Country has been so helpful. We've had great discussions about chopping weight from expedition ski mountaineering packs and many, many other topics.
John, You are in education, a teacher, yes? If you had a Kevin in your classroom, how would you perceive him and deal with him?.. A bully?
Kevin is not being singled out here. There are others that act in an offensive manner. It's just that Kevin is by far the worst of the lot.
Other people on this forum also give advise on route beta, conditions and gear as well, but they don't usually back it up with a bunch of bravado and insults.
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Alberta-based choss climbin', flame throwin', rappel lovin', ass talkin' hater who doesn't like "Gumby" for a descriptor
6302 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2010 : 7:37 PM
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how would you perceive him and deal with him?.. A bully?
The bully comment is just getting stupid (oooohhhhh) and played out now. Quite trying to vilinize me. You're above comment is nothing more than leading and baiting.
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Kevin is not being singled out here
At least have the balls to call it. The timing of this post was immediately after your little whine session in the other thread directed at me. A thread which any person with half a brain can review and see what the escalation of events really was. |
Edited by - time2clmb on 10/03/2010 7:44 PM |
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Calgary, Alberta
Andorra
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Posted - 10/03/2010 : 7:40 PM
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Actually, I've never seen useful posts backed up by 'bravado and insults'. Those tend to be two different kinds of posts. I'm with John and Mick here. Very often, I find myself mentaly composing a response, only to scroll down further and find I've been beaten to it. Again, the tone tends to be a step further than I'd use, but I think the points are usually fair.
But then, I know I have my own little un-fan club, so my opinion might not be valued. :)
Really, I don't see people post a nice little TR about their trip to the lake, only to have someone come blaring in telling them they are fucking idiots for doing such a trip. If you have an issue with a post, and note it without name calling, it doesn't tend to turn into a big issue.
'Extreme foul language' is probably different in everyone's book. If it's bothering you that much, perhaps you should just stop caring so much about an internet forum.. |
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Alberta-based choss climbin', flame throwin', rappel lovin', ass talkin' hater who doesn't like "Gumby" for a descriptor
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Posted - 10/03/2010 : 7:50 PM
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I don't see people post a nice little TR about their trip to the lake, only to have someone come blaring in telling them they are fucking idiots for doing such a trip
lol, that doesn't fit their agenda, so of course they aren't going to acknowledge that. |
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Alberta-based choss climbin', flame throwin', rappel lovin', ass talkin' hater who doesn't like "Gumby" for a descriptor
6302 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2010 : 8:18 PM
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Kevin is not being singled out here
Being at the forefront of those that are fed up with Kevin's antics
Let me say it in a way that is easily understood by you, sung by cookie monster ladies and gentlmen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WhuikFY1Pg
You will be quick to point out the maturity level on this one. Who the hell am I to say that before you had a chance to?
Here this is from the other thread, and might be a better fit here:
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Originally posted by prother
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Originally posted by johngenx
In all my posts over the years here, I've never once felt unfairly attacked by T2C. He and I don't always agree, but I've never felt like it got personal or beyond the scope of what a couple of chums might say to each other. (I often say/hear "what the %%$# were you thinking!?" to/from my friends...)
I've felt a little shat-upon by some others I'll not name now, but ironically, part of the group that feels K jumps on people too quickly...
So, I agree that there certainly is an element of hypocrisy present.
Oh, and yeah, if six big bills is a stellar price for the tent, it should be gone by now. Took me a few hours to sell my mountaineering tent at a very fair price...
John, If you have felt shat upon by "some others I'll not name now", that are part of the group you perceive against Kevin's diatribes, maybe you should speak up now rather than leave it to guess work. Am I one of those people that you feel shat on you? Being at the forefront of those that are fed up with Kevin's antics, I can't help but feel that many people might think you are referring to me. Are you?
Peter
lol, nice grovelling. ...awww shucks, I think I detect some insecurity here. Perhaps your crusade against me was brought on by the time I disagreed with your posts about technical climbing stuff over in the climbing thread. You didn't seem to like that. I think I hurt your ego. Who the hell am I to disagree with you? Don't I know who you are? You do work for a national organization, how dare I question you and prove you wrong infront of all of these people. You will lash on to whatever you can, perhaps you'll even use my extreme excessive foul language as an example to start a campaign against me so it won't happen again. Surely there are others like you who will agree.
Although, you won't name names in that other thread, oh crap, you slipped up below by naming him specifically, gosh darnit (don't swear). I have to figure out a way to say it's not about getting just him banned....oh crap, John said some thing but didn't name names, you think he was talking about you. Golly geez, you hope he wasn't talking about you, but you better find out just to be sure. Maybe you can appeal to Johns intellect over in the other thread. Hopefully he answers your question in such a way that you can structure a couple more questions in which you will get answers to further your cause.
You read like a book.
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Being at the forefront of those that are fed up with Kevin's antics
...aaaaand yet your not trying to single me out in the other thread eh.
For anyone wanting some popcorn reading, or if you would like to join in on the dogpile the fun is over here
http://www.clubtread.com/sforum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=37258 |
Edited by - time2clmb on 10/03/2010 8:25 PM |
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Finally stopping that crazy suffering that is ice, climbing to concentrate on great ski tours!
3523 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2010 : 8:20 PM
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I do teach high school. I teach at a school where the student population is made up of students that have been expelled from other schools, and students that are mandated to be at school as part of their probation/sentence, have various difficulties that create conditions such that they can't learn in a "normal" classroom. Many people (and some other teachers) would call my students "the worst of the worst" but that is not true. However, thanks to their histories/etc we are very sensitive to bullying.
Seriously, this campaign against bullying is overblown. Most of what people think is bullying is nothing more than minor conflict. Really bullying consists of one person having a dominant position over another and utilizing it to create a unilateral relationship where the bully "has all the cards." The bully has complete power over the bullied, whether there is physical conflict or not.
Cyber-bullying is real, and is characterized by someone that can gather resources against another person through social networking sites, email exchanges, and forums. In these instances, the bully uses the internet to alter their real-world relationship (cyber bullies typically know their targets personally) and create the aforementioned unilateral relationship.
As for Kevin in my classroom? I suspect he'd be a "wallflower" compared to the majority of my students!! While we do have conflict in the school, true bullying is actually pretty rare. Few of our students are able to establish a unilateral power relationship over another student.
I doubt bullying actually occurs here. Those that don't like Kev's comments are certainly able to fight back, and indeed do. Kevin has no real power over others here. As I said, bullying is not calling someone a name, but is the exercise of power of someone else. |
Edited by - johngenx on 10/03/2010 8:21 PM |
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Outward Bound author of the Seinfeld Thread, who builds his own snowshoes
Troy, MT
USA
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Posted - 10/03/2010 : 8:24 PM
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Alberta-based choss climbin', flame throwin', rappel lovin', ass talkin' hater who doesn't like "Gumby" for a descriptor
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Posted - 10/03/2010 : 8:31 PM
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Well, i'm going to have to call it. In the case of Prother and Sandy et al vs T2C regarding the bully campaign, I do believe we have an
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Edited by - time2clmb on 10/03/2010 8:33 PM |
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Trail running, bike hucking, fast packing, beer drinking collector of pine cones on a day pass
AKA
Dances with Trees
Forest Gnome Cabin
Canada
13090 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2010 : 8:37 PM
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Originally posted by johngenx
I doubt bullying actually occurs here. Those that don't like Kev's comments are certainly able to fight back, and indeed do. Kevin has no real power over others here. As I said, bullying is not calling someone a name, but is the exercise of power of someone else.
Agree totally. Any off comments on an online forum are merely disruptions and or platitudes. Nothing really happens here that upsets the balance of power in peoples lives. The worst things said or heard on this site pale in comparison to real life challenges, no? |
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Finally stopping that crazy suffering that is ice, climbing to concentrate on great ski tours!
3523 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2010 : 8:45 PM
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Originally posted by mick range
Agree totally. Any off comments on an online forum are merely disruptions and or platitudes. Nothing really happens here that upsets the balance of power in peoples lives. The worst things said or heard on this site pale in comparison to real life challenges, no?
Yes. We've certainly had disagreements and arguments! No doubt about that... |
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Banning offensive posters
