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Victoria, British Columbia
Canada
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Posted - 09/21/2010 : 10:05 AM
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| As I understood it he meant tape as in hockey stick tape, with sticky sides attached to the sole. Still, it's not a good idea. |
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Burnaby, BC
Canada
667 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2010 : 10:08 AM
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| simonc has a good point and I have used this technique on the steeper stuff. Some thing to note. If you have a soft pack where you can dig in an inch your safe to boot ski it as you will be able to stop yourself. If its hard as rock don't even try as you will have no traction and it is not safe at all.. Go around unless your have cramp ons an ice axe and have experience on easier grade ice. |
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2421 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2010 : 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by Dru
Sounds like you need a Whippet
Cute. $99 USD at Black Diamond online, $52 CDN at MEC. |
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Posted - 09/22/2010 : 4:20 PM
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THANKS for the reply everyone, i learned alot.
for my hike, it'll be panorama ridge around next few weeks, so there wont be that much snow, probably small patches.
since alot of you recommended boot glissading, where is a good tutorial online to find how to do it? i am an intermediate skiier.
i thought tape underneath the soles would be good idea to reduce friction :) im surprised no one tried it before. heavy duty tape. |
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Vancouver, BC
Canada
1461 Posts |
Posted - 09/22/2010 : 4:36 PM
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You could get a pair of these
Use the slider to go fast and the gripper to slow down.  |
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Vancouver, BC
Canada
874 Posts |
Posted - 09/22/2010 : 5:42 PM
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"Mountaineering, Freedom of the Hills" has a good chapter on glissading (and everything else to do with mountains too).
The key is to pick a short slope with a good runout the first few times. |
Edited by - weedWhacker on 09/23/2010 1:41 PM |
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Burnaby, BC
Canada
667 Posts |
Posted - 09/22/2010 : 5:44 PM
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Tape = Disaster! Boot sking is really at best a combination of hoping up and down wile controlling a slide and not letting yourself get going to fast.
Seriously are you joking? |
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canine loving, machete-toting bushwhacking lake seeker, Indiana Jones hat-wearing off-road 4x4 guru
Surrey Hole, BC
Canada
6768 Posts |
Posted - 09/22/2010 : 8:00 PM
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Originally posted by time2clmb
Can also use elbows and knees depending on conditions. In some conditions you can't arrest at all even with an axe. Go out find a safe slope with a nice mellow run out and practice and keep going out in different conditions to see what works and what doesn't.
Kevin? so mellow?
Basically if you slip and start picking up speed right away (which is common) you`ll be F`d
In safe runout, you can risk it but expect less than desirable results if its icy at all. Often tumbles and rock or tree impacts would be expected than can cause injury to stop further travel.
Hiking poles can stop or reduce slides if you grab it at the first 40cm or less near the tip with both hands, spreading the load out over the pole will result in it bending or snapping. You will get hurt eventually. proper practice with the right equipment will let you travel with much more confidence. |
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Posted - 09/23/2010 : 08:19 AM
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Originally posted by geminihc
THANKS for the reply everyone, i learned alot.
for my hike, it'll be panorama ridge around next few weeks, so there wont be that much snow, probably small patches.
since alot of you recommended boot glissading, where is a good tutorial online to find how to do it? i am an intermediate skiier.
i thought tape underneath the soles would be good idea to reduce friction :) im surprised no one tried it before. heavy duty tape.
I don't see anybody 'reccommending' boot glissading. It seems to come up as a last-resort measure, backup up with an ice axe. And I really don't suggest trying to reduce friction - how would you stop at the bottom? That's one reason they put cleats on boots instead of polishing them smooth. |
Edited by - peter1955 on 09/23/2010 11:17 AM |
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Vancouver, BC
Canada
874 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2010 : 08:25 AM
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Au contraire,
Boot glissading is a lot of fun and it is a fast way to lose a lot of elevation. I do it often and I suspect most other mountaineers do too. But I carry an ice axe in my hands and I am ready to use it at a moments notice. |
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surrey
Canada
646 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2010 : 09:10 AM
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I guess it depends on what you want to get out of your boot-ski, but I think you can wing it no need to watch a video.
The biggest aspect of risk assement is the degree of the slope, and what's at the end of the "run". Obvious physics here, the steeper the slope the faster you go. Also Snow condition plays a pretty big role too, soft snow (slower), hard packed icy (fast)
I'm terrible at skiing (just don't like it very much), but boot-skiing was not all that hard. I zig-zaged my way down which kept the pace bellow runnning speed. I did a section above 70 degree's but it had a 200m flat run out (ending in a tarn) Fell on my ass half way down and slid for 30 or 40 meters no big deal.
When I did this last it was a Very warm summer day and the snow was almost slushy. It was very easy to slow down and stop even when I fell over or backwards. All the "runs" we did we could have walked down beside them on the snow free rocks.
The long and the short of it is, give it try start small with a clean safe run out. Chances are you will like it.
Another way you can come down quickly like Mat said, is you can take really large steps and slide a bit on each step.
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Posted - 09/23/2010 : 2:47 PM
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thanks, so are there actually any videos of someone doing boot skiing?
its extremely difficult to find any information regarding the different types of glissading online, nevermind glissading itself.
i've only seen videos on youtube of people bum glissading using garbage bags/plastic surfaces |
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Smurf Village, BC
Canada
1495 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2010 : 3:01 PM
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I think I might have a bum glissading vid (with an ice axe for the rudder/brake). Quality might suck. I'll check.
Glissading with garbage bag sounds like tobogganing  . |
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Alberta-based choss climbin', flame throwin', rappel lovin', ass talkin' hater who doesn't like "Gumby" for a descriptor
6302 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2010 : 3:10 PM
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don't see anybody 'reccommending' boot glissading. It seems to come up as a last-resort measure
Blah blah blah last resort measure to what? Never mind you don't have a clue either.
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I did a section above 70 degree's
cough cough bullshit!
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Kevin? so mellow?
...better? |
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Finally stopping that crazy suffering that is ice, climbing to concentrate on great ski tours!
3502 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2010 : 3:27 PM
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| Yeah, 70 degrees feels pretty much vertical. No one glissades 70 degree ice/snow (70 degree snow?). Though, people do overestimate slopes. We were on a glacier tongue that was perhaps 45 degrees at the steepest, and another party kept exclaiming how it must have been at least 60 degrees, maybe lots more. At apart they thought was >60, I got barely 40 with the pretty accurate inclinometer on my compass. |
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Vancouver, BC
Canada
1461 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2010 : 4:28 PM
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| If you haven't boot glissaded before you must have had a pretty boring childhood. |
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Say Nuth Khaw Yum, British Columbia
Canada
418 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2010 : 10:01 PM
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Originally posted by hafilax
You could get a pair of these
Use the slider to go fast and the gripper to slow down.
Sounds like a good way to get many 360 degree views , unless you're a one legged boot skier. |
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Say Nuth Khaw Yum, British Columbia
Canada
418 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2010 : 10:04 PM
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Originally posted by geminihc
thanks, so are there actually any videos of someone doing boot skiing?
its extremely difficult to find any information regarding the different types of glissading online, nevermind glissading itself.
i've only seen videos on youtube of people bum glissading using garbage bags/plastic surfaces
Boot skiing is an acquired technique. Try somewhere safe first and you'll figure out what you're capable of. Not the kind of thing you want to watch a video on and try on a steep slope above a cliff or some nasty rocks or snow with deep open holes. |
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surrey
Canada
646 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2010 : 10:43 PM
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canine loving, machete-toting bushwhacking lake seeker, Indiana Jones hat-wearing off-road 4x4 guru
Surrey Hole, BC
Canada
6768 Posts |
Posted - 09/24/2010 : 7:50 PM
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Originally posted by time2clmb
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don't see anybody 'reccommending' boot glissading. It seems to come up as a last-resort measure
Blah blah blah last resort measure to what? Never mind you don't have a clue either.
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I did a section above 70 degree's
cough cough bullshit!
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Kevin? so mellow?
...better?
hehe, not sure if its better, it just seems so held back or something.. they put you into foulmouth counselling? just kiddin around.. |
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How to slowdown/stop during a Glissade w/o ice ax
