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coquitlam, B.C.
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Posted - 12/14/2008 : 7:33 PM
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Quote by northernbc "all this is stuff that is posted is nice,nice and full of dangerous and untrue old beliefs.ther is not one person here qualified to give any advice at all. for the true picture read the bear encounter survival guide by gary shelton."
Hmm. I suppose you looked up my credentials and found them wanting. Have I offended you in some past life? So tell me my freind. How did you come to the conclusion that I am not qualified to give advice or have an opinion? Really. RSVP |
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fort st john, b.c.
Canada
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Posted - 12/14/2008 : 7:57 PM
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| point you are absolutly correct and i apoligize .rereading my post it sounds mean and doesnt say at all what i meant .if i may i will try again we all have our opinions and advice but for newcommers asking questions i feel it would be better to get this from either of these books before trying to absorb the often contradictory info prsented by us all. i feel this sounds better and again accept my apologie for discounting you |
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fort st john, b.c.
Canada
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Posted - 12/14/2008 : 8:10 PM
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| reeading the last two posts i can see that my apolagie must include everyone who submited sorry for being that way. |
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| piika
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Burnaby, BC
Canada
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Hope, BC
Canada
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Posted - 03/29/2012 : 12:25 AM
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| Yea bullets don't normally blind the bear, bear spray can. If anything you will just piss off the bear even worse. If you are a great shot perhaps you can shoot the bear in both eyes but I doubt it lol. |
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Posted - 03/29/2012 : 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by piika
Once again in the news: Bear Spray vs. Guns.
Bear spray doesn’t supply “brains in a can” to survive a grizzly attack, but it appears to work a lot better than spraying bullets.
Article from The Missoulian about two studies presented at the Fourth International Human-Bear Conflict Workshop in Missoula last week:
http://missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/research-bear-spray-stops-angry-grizzlies-better-than-guns/article_b0d338b6-7638-11e1-b809-0019bb2963f4.html#ixzz1qU9CrXCP
quoted from article..."During the conference, many participants swapped bear spray stories. Montana outfitter Frank Vitale told of his conversion back in 1995 when he inadvertently led a pack string on a narrow, cliff-side trail right into a sleeping sow grizzly with cubs.
He was able to get the riders off their mounts, but then a dog with the party woke the sow up. The grizzly laid her ears down and charged..."
something to think about especially when & when not to take a pet along.
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Van., BC
Canada
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Posted - 03/29/2012 : 12:34 PM
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I'd rather take my chances with a bear over a guy with a gun who's scared of bears.
From last September:
VICTORIA — A 22-year-old man is recovering in Victoria General Hospital after his friend shot him in the face, mistaking him for a bear.
The two were camping near Vancouver Island’s Nitinat River early Saturday when one of the men was woken up by what he thought was a black bear trying to get into their tent, Const. Grant Desmet of Lake Cowichan RCMP said.
The man grabbed a shotgun and fired several rounds in the direction of the “bear.”
Instead, the pellets of the gun hit his friend — sleeping head-to-toe at the opposite end of the tent — in the face and the arm, causing severe injuries.
Or this one, also from last September:
BILLINGS, Mont. (AP) — A hunter attacked by a wounded grizzly in a Montana forest was killed not by the bear, but by a gunshot fired by a companion trying to save him, authorities said Friday.
Lincoln County Sheriff Roby Bowe said an autopsy determined 39-year-old Steve Stevenson of Winnemucca, Nev., died of a single gunshot to the chest. The cause of death was determined by a medical examiner with the Montana State Crime Lab.
The shot was fired by 20-year-old Ty Bell, also of Winnemucca, as he attempted to stop the bear's attack. No charges are expected, Bowe said.
The autopsy found bite marks on Stevenson's leg caused by the bear. |
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Salmon Arm, BC
Canada
894 Posts |
Posted - 03/29/2012 : 2:21 PM
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| I always pack pepper, never pack heat. Seems to be the right choice--for both me and the bears!! |
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Posted - 04/10/2012 : 08:51 AM
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Bear spray works 90-95% of the time. Guns don't work. Want to piss off a charging bear? Shoot him from ten or twenty feet away - even if you get lucky with a kill-shot (VERY unlikely) he's still have enough left to take you with him.
As for a BFK, Aces is just joking. |
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Kamloops, B.C.
Canada
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Posted - 04/10/2012 : 09:47 AM
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| I ran into a fellow once, he had a large circle of burned skin.It covered most of his chest and abdominal wall. When I asked what happened, he told me a story of running into a bear along the Bulkley river. The bear made a few aggressive gestures towards him, so he pulled out his trusty bear spray. When the bear made a move towards him he pulled the trigger and gave himself a blast to the belly at point blank range. He couldn't see or breath and thrashed around on the ground for some undetermined time. When he regained his senses the bear who he had forgotten all about was long gone. These things work so well, if you point them at the right place they will even remove the bear from your consciousness. |
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Vancouver, BC
Canada
277 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2012 : 1:48 PM
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Lol, brutal-a good reminder for me to take my almost-expired canister, find somewhere appropriate and practise firing it! I don't want anyone telling a story like that about me...  |
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Salmon Arm, BC
Canada
894 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2012 : 2:55 PM
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| Blasting off some expired canisters is very worthwhile practice. Know how to use it! You can even get some practice canisters (no active ingredient--smells like weak vinegar), but at $15-20 a can it becomes pretty expensive to buy a few just for practicing. |
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Canmore, AB
Canada
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Posted - 04/10/2012 : 3:18 PM
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Originally posted by omegarun
When the bear made a move towards him he pulled the trigger and gave himself a blast to the belly at point blank range. He couldn't see or breath and thrashed around on the ground for some undetermined time. When he regained his senses the bear who he had forgotten all about was long gone.
That sucks. He was probably hoping the bear would come over and take him out of his misery.
Of course the bear was laughing too hard to even try. |
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Winnipeg, MB
Canada
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Posted - 04/22/2012 : 1:41 PM
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| Bear spray has been proven to work better. But besides that, it has also been proven that more peole die from accidental gun shot while in the backcountry than by bear attack. So bringing a gun on a hiking trip is actually making the situation more dangerous, not safer. |
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Posted - 04/23/2012 : 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by GordieW
Bear spray has been proven to work better. But besides that, it has also been proven that more people die from accidental gun shot while in the backcountry than by bear attack. So bringing a gun on a hiking trip is actually making the situation more dangerous, not safer.
"We don't have murders in Canada, we have 'hunting accidents'." |
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| gyppo
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Edmonton, AB
Canada
745 Posts |
Posted - 04/23/2012 : 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by omegarun
I ran into a fellow once, he had a large circle of burned skin.It covered most of his chest and abdominal wall. When I asked what happened, he told me a story of running into a bear along the Bulkley river. The bear made a few aggressive gestures towards him, so he pulled out his trusty bear spray. When the bear made a move towards him he pulled the trigger and gave himself a blast to the belly at point blank range. He couldn't see or breath and thrashed around on the ground for some undetermined time. When he regained his senses the bear who he had forgotten all about was long gone. These things work so well, if you point them at the right place they will even remove the bear from your consciousness.
This sounds highly dubious. If it burned the skin on his chest, it would most certainly burn the mucous membranes of the eyes, nose and lung, and would NOT be sold. And similar products wouldn't be used by the police, either!
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Posted - 04/23/2012 : 12:09 PM
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Originally posted by gyppo
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He couldn't see or breath and thrashed around on the ground for some undetermined time. When he regained his senses the bear who he had forgotten all about was long gone. These things work so well, if you point them at the right place they will even remove the bear from your consciousness.
This sounds highly dubious. If it burned the skin on his chest, it would most certainly burn the mucous membranes of the eyes, nose and lung, and would NOT be sold. And similar products wouldn't be used by the police, either!
You're talking through your Tilley, buddy. You've never got a whiff of it, have you? One good sniff, and you'd be down on the ground, curled up in a ball, blind and completely non-functional for at least half-an hour.
Get a can, get a friend to give you a shot from ten feet away (NOT in close contact), THEN come back and shoot your face off. |
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Vancouver, BC
Canada
874 Posts |
Posted - 04/23/2012 : 12:52 PM
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I sprayed my forearm very lightly by accident last year. It stung for about two hours. The only way to lessen the pain was to pour cold water over it every 10 minutes. I can't imagine inhaling the stuff or getting it in my eyes.
On the other hand, bears stick their faces into wasp nests on purpose and leave it there while they lick up the larvae. |
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Posted - 04/23/2012 : 3:25 PM
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| The wasps (bees?) would have a hard time getting their stingers through the fur. And I would expect a bear would be pretty thick-skinned. |
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Study says bear spray more effective than guns
