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 opinionated-stove huggin'-fleece wearin'-arse burnin' hill virgin
Here
Canada
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Posted - 08/04/2003 : 8:21 PM
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How about a dumb @ss stunt of the month category? For the record, I've made a few.
I'd like to nominate the campfire at Liumchen Lake and Ridge for this month's.
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Makati
Philippines
955 Posts |
Posted - 08/05/2003 : 6:12 PM
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Yeah, Here's my submission... All Those Nature-Fighters in the airplanes and on ground spreading fire retardant all over the place thus preventing the natural cycle of forrest rejuvination. Or How about all the people crazy enough to build their houses so near to such a naturally unpredictable and potentialy dangerous wilderness areas where events such as forrest fires are, in time, likely to devour and destroy their dwellings and livelyhood.
... I do my bit...
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Kootenay Bud
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Posted - 08/05/2003 : 6:58 PM
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Whoa, I'm one of those folks and I wouldn't trade it for anything. There's nothing better than watching bears, deer, birds, and lynxs wander through your yard, or picking your own berries in the woods, or hiking on your own trails. Sure fire could destroy our homes but plenty of houses in the city get destroyed by fire and at least I'm not a target for some loony toon getting his/her kicks doing home invasions.
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Or How about all the people crazy enough to build their houses so near to such a naturally unpredictable and potentialy dangerous wilderness areas where events such as forrest fires are, in time, likely to devour and destroy their dwellings and livelyhood.
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opinionated-stove huggin'-fleece wearin'-arse burnin' hill virgin
Here
Canada
4642 Posts |
Posted - 08/05/2003 : 7:08 PM
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No sandy, you're a target for a looney toon who gets his kicks starting campfires during extreme hazard conditions and a campfire ban and then blaming it on you for where you live.
There's nothing "natural" about a human started wildfire which most of the destructive ones are.
Some people need to grow up and take some responsability for their actions rather than trying to rationalize and shift blame.
See you on the mountain!
Edited by - Hiker Boy on 08/05/2003 7:23:11 PM |
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Makati
Philippines
955 Posts |
Posted - 08/05/2003 : 7:57 PM
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Now THAT is Hiking Humour!
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Makati
Philippines
955 Posts |
Posted - 08/05/2003 : 8:14 PM
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Damn the loony toon who blames a campfire on another individual and the location of that individual's residence... and the destructive human-started wildfire burning around Liumchen Lake... and the people who are trying to rationalize and shift blame from that Liumchen Lake wildfire they so irresponsibly started... Damn them all!
Now where did I park my dam bike?
Edited by - drifter on 08/05/2003 8:15:38 PM |
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Satirical photoshop junkie who frolics in the mountains of the Chilliwack River Valley
Chilliwack, BC
Canada
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Posted - 08/05/2003 : 9:28 PM
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Jeez, maybe I shoulda just started a fire in the bush on purpose up there..then hiker boy coulda REALLY laid in on me; rather than being so namby-pamby-round-about-not-really-sure-what-he's-actually-trying-to get-at like he so often is  (some people can be opinionated, but I can be sarcastic )
"If you don't get at it, when you get to it, you won't get to it to get at it again!"
Edited by - BillyGoat on 08/05/2003 9:29:43 PM |
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trigger happy, bear bangin', beer swillin', dirt-lovin', event organizin', hell raisin' REDneck
Maple Ridge (Redneckville), BC
Canada
2615 Posts |
Posted - 08/05/2003 : 9:59 PM
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Play nice kids. I've kicked so much CT butt this week that my foot is sore !!!!
We've beaten these guys up enough for having a campfire. Time to move on to something more positive. I guess I'll have to hold off on multiple bear banger launches until we get some rain! I might miss a crow and start a forest fire  .
"Do, or do not. There is no 'try'."
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 challenge seeker, bagless sleeper, bare bones, trail trooper
Abbotsford, BC
Canada
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Posted - 08/05/2003 : 11:08 PM
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About the campfire thing, I think enough has been said too. However, as we all are outdoor enthusiasts, I believe we need to keep each other in check too for what is appropriate. Nothing wrong with that. I for one am totally disgusted that such a large percentage of the forest fires are due to human stupidity. It's been a dry year so far so naturally forest fires will occur, but let's all help to make sure that we personally don't contribute to the numbers and educate others to do the same. 
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opinionated-stove huggin'-fleece wearin'-arse burnin' hill virgin
Here
Canada
4642 Posts |
Posted - 08/05/2003 : 11:30 PM
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Just a hypothetical suggestion, but just what would happen if someone sent a link of the Liumchen Lake and Ridge trip report to the Office of the Fire Commissioner because they don't like someone's smart mouth and attitude?
Probably nothing but you never know! 
See you on the mountain!
Edited by - Hiker Boy on 08/05/2003 11:32:43 PM |
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Richmond, BC
797 Posts |
Posted - 08/05/2003 : 11:41 PM
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I'mt hinking we should pitch in and buy Todd some steel toed boots.
Edit: and a poker. LOL
Edited by - Spirit on 08/05/2003 11:42:26 PM |
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Makati
Philippines
955 Posts |
Posted - 08/05/2003 : 11:47 PM
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Large percentage of wildfires started by human stupidity huh??? I'd like to see your source. Please post it soon!
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Richmond, BC
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Posted - 08/05/2003 : 11:52 PM
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I'm not going to get in the middle of this, but it was said on the news last friday that 80% of forest fires are started by careless humans.
Do a search if you wanna.
Edit: Oops, excuse me. 90%.
Fires are a natural phenomenon but, worldwide, fires started by humans now account for more than 90 percent of all wildland fires in forests and savannas.
http://www.wri.org/press/page_forests_pr.html
It's an old article, and I'm not sure from where, but the fact remains that a large percentage is started by humans. I'm actually a little surprised that you'd question that.
Edited by - Spirit on 08/05/2003 11:57:00 PM |
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Makati
Philippines
955 Posts |
Posted - 08/06/2003 : 12:04 AM
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Hypothetically, What would happen if a link to the post of the Liumchen Lake trip report was sent to the office of the fire commission out of anger and frustration? It would result in a certain hiking "authority" on this thread to become known to many as "the rat". Supressor of freedom and good right, and everyone knows how people treat around "the rats of reality".
Aside from that the commission would do nothing... Maybe send A reminder in the mail.
Sometimes opinions are best kept within the confines of ones head-jelly. Where is that fire...
It's done... the fire is out and the people are safe... so back the firemen go!!
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opinionated-stove huggin'-fleece wearin'-arse burnin' hill virgin
Here
Canada
4642 Posts |
Posted - 08/06/2003 : 12:07 AM
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Indeed in this case, I believe you are right.
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 Heavy gear-carrying camera-toting asylum escapee
Victoria, BC
Canada
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Posted - 08/06/2003 : 12:56 AM
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While we are beating this one to death, I have a thing or two to say about forest fire suppression policy. I am pretty sure that this is no longer the case, but previously the policy was to fight all forest fires, not just ones that endanger human settlements. With normal forest ecology, there is a mixture of old and new trees in any given area. The old trees are vulnerable and quick to burn, while the new trees are much more resistant to fire and act as a natural fire barrier. Normally with lightning strikes, the fire that ensues would destroy the older trees in a limited area, alowing them to release seeds that require heat before they will break from the cone and permitting the renewal cycle to proceed.
With the previous total suppression policy, it has allowed the highly flammable older trees to crowd out the smaller, more fire resistant younger trees, creating a significant risk for very large fires. This was seen to be the issue with the huge fires at Yellowstone many years ago. They have since changed their policy to allow small fires to burn themselves out, and I believe that BC now allows for controlled burns as well.
So if you are looking for something to blame (other than idiots who throw cigarettes out the window into dry forest areas), a good candidate would be the people who thought up the policies that made our forests as vulnerable to fire as they are.
Nathan
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Makati
Philippines
955 Posts |
Posted - 08/06/2003 : 01:07 AM
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Cheerz Nathan! There are alot of variables pertaining to this situation. You have brought forth (good?) information/opinion.
Cheerz!
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Satirical photoshop junkie who frolics in the mountains of the Chilliwack River Valley
Chilliwack, BC
Canada
6908 Posts |
Posted - 08/06/2003 : 09:31 AM
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That'd the thing about fires...always seems to be a "hot" topic 
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bushy faced bright pink and orange sporting snow shoveling slacker
Seattle, WA
USA
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Posted - 08/06/2003 : 09:41 AM
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was gonna avoid the fire topic, but my stupid actually involves it.
In '87, when I was younger and a bit dumb, I was on a hike in the Alpine Lakes Wilderness. This was back when they allowed fires in the camps along the trails. It was a wet summer, and our 5 day hike ended up 4 days of driving rain. On the last night of the hike, we hauled into camp and set up. Eight of us freezing, teeth chattering, and gear wet. We decided we wanted a fire, but the wood all around was wet.
It's the last night, and we have 2/3 of an 22 oz MSR fuel bottle of white gas. Only need enough fuel to boil water for oatmeal in the morning. So, yours truly suggests laying the fire and pouring a little white gas on it (before lighting) to help start the fire. Remember, I'm younger and dumb at this stage in my life.
Hike leaders and everyone thinks this is a great plan, so we start the fire, using the white gas as fire starter. Get a nice small blaze going.
One of the trip leaders decides the fire isn't big enough, so he starts to dance around the fire pouring white gas on it, laughing and singing (he is completely sober, by the way, just a bit strange). He doesn't notice the flame working its way up the stream of fuel to burn on the nozzle of the bottle. He finally sees the flaming bottle in his hands (only after one or two of us scream at him) and drops it. The bottle rolls into a small bush, and starts to burn some brush there. Many of the group scatter. The second hike leader kicks the bottle into the lake (choice, burn the forest or risk fuel in the lake) and extingushes the small brush fire.
We did retrieve the bottle by the way, so hopefully not too much leaked into the water.
Since this time, I have used white gas as fire starter, but now I soak toilet paper with it and don't add any to a burning fire.
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Satirical photoshop junkie who frolics in the mountains of the Chilliwack River Valley
Chilliwack, BC
Canada
6908 Posts |
Posted - 08/06/2003 : 11:18 AM
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Since this time, I have used white gas as fire starter, but now I soak toilet paper with it and don't add any to a burning fire.
Intersting story...the things we do when we're younger. But you still use white gas to start a fire??? I use gelled methyl hydrate, which kinda looks like napalm, but I can just take a dollop of it out of the can and light that...works great.
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bushy faced bright pink and orange sporting snow shoveling slacker
Seattle, WA
USA
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Posted - 08/06/2003 : 11:30 AM
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But you still use white gas to start a fire??? I use gelled methyl hydrate, which kinda looks like napalm, but I can just take a dollop of it out of the can and light that...works great.
"If you don't get at it, when you get to it, you won't get to it to get at it again!"
I generally don't do campfires. When I do, i have a couple of other options (vaseline soaked dryer lint, appropriate selection of fuel i.e. tinder, kindling, etc) I use to get it going. White gas is a last-resort, emergency fire starter. I already have it for my stove, I would have no use for methyl hydrate aside from starting fires, and a can is a little heavy (in my opinion) for just that one function.
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