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Vancouver, BC
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Posted - 04/04/2007 : 4:06 PM
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How about an automated post rater robot than considers the number of words, punctuation, sentence length, spelling & grammar mistakes, etc. Plus is would give you a bad rating if you incorrectly identify a mountain or geographical feature.
On another aside, maybe we should instead consider a system whereby you can post comments onto somebody else's post, and then they can post comments on your post comment. |
Edited by - scottN on 04/04/2007 4:07 PM |
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 Alberta-based choss climbin', flame throwin', rappel lovin', ass talkin' hater who doesn't like "Gumby" for a descriptor
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Posted - 04/04/2007 : 4:21 PM
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Originally posted by scottN
How about an automated post rater robot than thaT considers the number of words, punctuation, sentence length, spelling & grammar mistakes, ect. Plus is iT would give you a bad rating if you incorrectly identify a mountain or geographical feature.
So anyone who's first language is not english is automatically rated as subpar by some "auto post rater"? That seems a little unfair.
You just got robo rated by your own spelling and grammar roborater. You score a 0 for making english errors for an idea that rates other peoples english errors  |
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Terrace, BC
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Posted - 04/04/2007 : 4:36 PM
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The short little posts - "Nice TR" with maybe a smiley is just a nice compliment to the poster that aknowledges a good job. I don't see anything wrong with that.
To me a simple  from some individual who I have a lot of respect for says quite a bit. |
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canine loving, machete-toting bushwhacking lake seeker, Indiana Jones hat-wearing off-road 4x4 guru
Surrey Hole, BC
Canada
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Posted - 04/04/2007 : 6:34 PM
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| Maybe these discussions are a good reminder,that people should consider adding some quality content in their replies,be it a compliment or question/answer or adding some info.Not every reply needs to be a #10, but some just started rambling away and had really nothing but chatter to add.This is impossible to Police,and nobody should be expected to either.Its just etiquette or a guideline.This board has grown enormously over the seasons and threads can get really lenghty,especially when looking for some important info later. |
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Mountain Grammar Police
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Sardonic sandbagging scoundrel, Cascade Climbers lobotomized spraymeister, space blanket flyer, new millennium vulgarian betaboy and friend to all squids
Climbing, a mountain
Canada
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Posted - 04/04/2007 : 7:06 PM
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Originally posted by Hiker Boy
Actually the need for validation can be easily satisfied by observing the number of "reads" made for any particular post.
I would rather write a trip report that has 100 views and 20 replies than one that has 800 views and 0 replies... the latter one would probably be pretty damn boring! |
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Mountain Grammar Police
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Sardonic sandbagging scoundrel, Cascade Climbers lobotomized spraymeister, space blanket flyer, new millennium vulgarian betaboy and friend to all squids
Climbing, a mountain
Canada
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Posted - 04/04/2007 : 7:08 PM
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Originally posted by time2clmb
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Originally posted by scottN
How about an automated post rater robot than thaT considers the number of words, punctuation, sentence length, spelling & grammar mistakes, ect. Plus is iT would give you a bad rating if you incorrectly identify a mountain or geographical feature.
So anyone who's first language is not english is automatically rated as subpar by some "auto post rater"? That seems a little unfair.
You just got robo rated by your own spelling and grammar roborater. You score a 0 for making english errors for an idea that rates other peoples english errors
Oh man t2c how does that hook in your mouth taste? |
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opinionated-stove huggin'-fleece wearin'-arse burnin' hill virgin
Here
Canada
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Posted - 04/04/2007 : 9:21 PM
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Originally posted by Dru
I would rather write a trip report that has 100 views and 20 replies than one that has 800 views and 0 replies... the latter one would probably be pretty damn boring!
How so? I'm the opposite...I'd rather not waste my time writing a TR that's going to collect a bunch of superficial responses over knowing that my work is being quietly appreciated by more. I'll happily take flames and criticism over habitual empty praise. |
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 Big pack hiker who sleeps with bears in tent and falls on slippery logs
Langley, BC
Canada
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Posted - 04/04/2007 : 9:35 PM
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Peak bagging, bushwhacking, zamboni driving, snowshoeing, self portrait artist, and speed demon who loves to hang out on Mt. Seymour
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Posted - 04/04/2007 : 9:41 PM
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On write up of a TR, often higher responses area based on:
-how many people you know on CT/your popularity.
-how many people went on the trip (they add their photos, comments and often chat amongst themselves).
-do something well known (and not just done by someone else).
-do something that no-one else has posted but may be well known (Silvertip for example).
-good photos and write up always help.
-a good angle/question/observation mentioned in the TR.
There are variables on this but this is the near norm from my observations of the past couple of years.
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Mountain Grammar Police
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Sardonic sandbagging scoundrel, Cascade Climbers lobotomized spraymeister, space blanket flyer, new millennium vulgarian betaboy and friend to all squids
Climbing, a mountain
Canada
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Posted - 04/04/2007 : 9:59 PM
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If we correct for other factors that might influence by taking two trip reports to the same destination by different authors, say to the Black Tusk; then my hypothesis is that the trip report with the greater number of responses after the same number of views will be the better quality one.
Number of views is ambiguous because the nature of the viewer is unknown. I will make an illustration using Flickr rather than ClubTread but the general point I want to illustrate is the same.
This photo:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/druclimb/390916759/
has had over 2,000 views in a month and a half, with the last 1,500 in the last few weeks. Why? It's certainly not my best climbing shot and it isn't posted to many photo pools on Flickr. Similar quality climbing photos posted the same week have between 80 and 200 views now. I can only conclude that the extra 2,000 views of this one are coming because the name of the climb is "Deflowered" and that it is attracting a lot of keyword-Googling perverts.
So I guess my point is that a high number of views does not mean that the viewers are finding your report worthwhile. They could be clicking on it for a second and moving on. As the writer you don't know and you shouldn't assume. But if you take your own reports and compare them, the ones with more responses are likely the better ones. |
Edited by - Dru on 04/04/2007 10:00 PM |
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Vancouver, B.C.
Canada
957 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2007 : 10:22 PM
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I'd say it is already a fact that 'copy and paste' responses to Trip Reports (arm chair hiking?)are a time honoured method of bagging stars on CT. Look at the top 50 or so posters and look at the 'up and comers'. There's method to the (typing) madness (if you buy into the posts and stars are meaningfull camp)!
So perhaps one solution to post whoring is to not allow replies to Trip Reports to qualify in the post count. This way, if you are going to respond to a TR, you will do so for more altruistic reasons.
Just a thought. |
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Manitoba's misadventurin' bushwhackin', dog sloggin', dehydratin', beer drinkin' biggie - who's eager to peak bag Mt Currie in a dress
Squamish
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Posted - 04/04/2007 : 10:32 PM
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There certainly are one or two high-post count posters that have a system of replies, and rotate through them. This get tedious for the readers of the trip report. But for the writer, it's nice to have someone reply, even if they are saying 'hey good trip', or 'nice photo'.
We all have egos and most of us like to have them stoked...
I have always thought we should remove a post count system all together. Actually that one time when Jimbo did something funny and everyone's counts went all over the place from plus 12,000 to minus 100, I thought that was pretty fun. Because then nobody had any standing. If I had 3.4259 posts, then I'd be appy. |
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Alberta-based choss climbin', flame throwin', rappel lovin', ass talkin' hater who doesn't like "Gumby" for a descriptor
6302 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2007 : 10:33 PM
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Originally posted by Dru
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Originally posted by time2clmb
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Originally posted by scottN
How about an automated post rater robot than thaT considers the number of words, punctuation, sentence length, spelling & grammar mistakes, ect. Plus is iT would give you a bad rating if you incorrectly identify a mountain or geographical feature.
So anyone who's first language is not english is automatically rated as subpar by some "auto post rater"? That seems a little unfair.
You just got robo rated by your own spelling and grammar roborater. You score a 0 for making english errors for an idea that rates other peoples english errors
Oh man t2c how does that hook in your mouth taste?
A little rusty...could use a bit of salt actually. |
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Alberta-based choss climbin', flame throwin', rappel lovin', ass talkin' hater who doesn't like "Gumby" for a descriptor
6302 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2007 : 10:38 PM
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Mountain Grammar Police
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Sardonic sandbagging scoundrel, Cascade Climbers lobotomized spraymeister, space blanket flyer, new millennium vulgarian betaboy and friend to all squids
Climbing, a mountain
Canada
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Posted - 04/04/2007 : 10:49 PM
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Wait... but what if we get rid of post counts and then people, uninhibited by the possibility of being identified as a shameful post whore for having a high post count, especially a high number of posts per day  , post MORE because there is no statistic tracking just how bad they are?  |
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Alberta-based choss climbin', flame throwin', rappel lovin', ass talkin' hater who doesn't like "Gumby" for a descriptor
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Posted - 04/04/2007 : 11:00 PM
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Originally posted by Dru
Wait... but what if we get rid of post counts and then people, uninhibited by the possibility of being identified as a shameful post whore for having a high post count, especially a high number of posts per day , post MORE because there is no statistic tracking just how bad they are?
eerr...ahem...SSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhh! |
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Vancouver, B.C.
Canada
957 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2007 : 08:32 AM
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Originally posted by Dru
Wait... but what if we get rid of post counts and then people, uninhibited by the possibility of being identified as a shameful post whore for having a high post count, especially a high number of posts per day , post MORE because there is no statistic tracking just how bad they are?
Thanks Dru, that's made my day! |
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canine loving, machete-toting bushwhacking lake seeker, Indiana Jones hat-wearing off-road 4x4 guru
Surrey Hole, BC
Canada
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Posted - 04/05/2007 : 9:25 PM
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Man some interesting angles on this one,some really good points raised too,Poor Jim,we beter buy him a big bottle of some nice expensive stuff  |
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Points along with post count?
