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Tumbler Ridge, BC
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Posted - 03/02/2007 : 6:07 PM
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Hey.
I know I've participated in, or sparked off, a discussion on waterfalls and what is and what isn't a high waterfall, etc.
Anyway. There's a couple sources out there on the highly trustworthy and always reliable interweb that suggest that Kiwi Falls is the highest waterfall on Vancouver Island, and not Della Falls, which is only the highest waterfall in Canada...officially.
Anyway. I was just wondering if anyone knew anything about them, other than what you'll find on the net. And maybe, he said, holding his breath, you might have a picture of 'em.
Anyone have info on these or the other 1000+ foot falls in that area, let me know....
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vancouver island, b.c.
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Posted - 03/04/2007 : 11:14 AM
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| Lived here my whole life and own more maps than anyone I know and have yet to hear of Kiwi falls.Where might they be and what hieght are they reported to be? |
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Posted - 03/04/2007 : 1:41 PM
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Was checking out, "Hiking Trails III - Schoen Lake Provincial Park".
The topo map on page 183 shows "falls" on Nisnak Creek below a small lake at 2000 ft contour line, East face of Mt.Schoen. Could this be the lower drop of Kiwi Falls????????
Here's the link to "Waterfalls of the Pacific Northwest" website:
http://www.waterfallsnorthwest.com/bc_waterfall.php?num=236&p=0
Cheers
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Tumbler Ridge, BC
Canada
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Tumbler Ridge, BC
Canada
1364 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2007 : 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by trails2blaze
Was checking out, "Hiking Trails III - Schoen Lake Provincial Park".
The topo map on page 183 shows "falls" on Nisnak Creek below a small lake at 2000 ft contour line, East face of Mt.Schoen. Could this be the lower drop of Kiwi Falls????????
From the info from those links, it could be.
This ringing any bells, Monkeyboy? |
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Tumbler Ridge, BC
Canada
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Posted - 03/05/2007 : 10:45 AM
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Originally posted by Backroader
This ringing any bells, Monkeyboy?
That would make such a great line from a movie, BTW.... |
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Salmon Arm, BC
Canada
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Posted - 03/05/2007 : 11:00 AM
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I vaguely recall a very tall waterfall when I canoed and hiked in from Schoen Lake many years ago, but have no photos to jog my memory--weather that day was typical VI sock-in! I've always wanted to go back, it's a spectacular area.
This just shows how many spectacular but little known waterfalls there are in BC, and elsewhere in Canada, too. Looking through those websites, it seems there are around 16 falls--including 2 in NF and one in NU--that are taller than the "officially tallest" Della!!
I also noticed that Della was "recently remeasured" and is 135 ft/41 m taller than officially stated. Hmmm....
Maybe somebody should start a "tallest waterfall" contest, at least to get all these falls some deserved recognition.
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Canada
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Posted - 03/05/2007 : 11:26 AM
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Some of their "waterfalls" are more like steep creeks. But there are some huge falls out there. This one is 550m tall...
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Tumbler Ridge, BC
Canada
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Posted - 03/05/2007 : 12:17 PM
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I've noticed that the these waterfall databases are pretty loose as to what they call a waterfall, too. You'll get write-ups like:
"Though on a small drainage, this could be one of the tallest waterfalls in Canada. Topographic maps suggest the overall drop may be over 600 meters. The upper drop appears to be between 450 and 500 meters tall, and the lower drop is at least another 80 meters, the two separated by tiny Kiwi Lake. Trails are shown leading to the bottom of the tall upper drop."
600 m high, if you don't mind the lake in between the two sections.... |
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Salmon Arm, BC
Canada
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Posted - 03/05/2007 : 1:59 PM
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Step #1 of the "tallest waterfall" contest: define waterfall, clarify what does and doesn't count towards total height.
"Loose" is right!! Which of these two falls is truly a 1900 ft/580 m high waterfall:
 Madden Falls, Squamish Valley. One falls, or 4 separate ones with some "steep creek" in between? You decide!
 Sutherland Falls, NZ. That's more like it!
Dru's pic--no question there! |
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Quathiaski Cove, BC
Canada
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Posted - 03/05/2007 : 7:57 PM
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I don't have a picture of water running on it and I guess it depends on what constitutes a 'waterfall' but the east face of Mt Colwell overlooking Cervus Creek in Strathcona is over 4,500 ft of vertical and for certain during spring thaw that thing is pouring with water especially in the gullies.
BUT - no one can talk about highest Canadian waterfalls without cruising up any of the numerous mainland inlets. To single out anyone waterfall as the highest sounds like an excercise in total subjectivity. Mt Bute is close to 10,000 ft of granite and there has to be water running all over that at various times.
I've been in Nisnak Meadows during srping thaw and if 'Kiwi' falls are the falls I think it is then sure it looks high but nothing you can't see in any number of other places in the coastal mountains. I am fairly certain I have a picture of Mt Schoen that may show the fabled falls, I'll look for it tomorrow and post it if it shows up. |
Edited by - Wild Isle on 03/05/2007 8:00 PM |
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Posted - 03/05/2007 : 8:02 PM
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Mt Bute doesn't have waterfalls. Wet streaks maybe...
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Edited by - Dru on 03/05/2007 8:04 PM |
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vancouver island, b.c.
Canada
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Posted - 03/05/2007 : 9:41 PM
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Well this isn't helping me with the annual spring fever.Now I want to go there.I know the area somewhat but haven't really looked at the falls.The mountian has been on my to-do list for two years now and this just bumped it up higher. 
Seems that if a lake exists in the middle then it can't really qualify as "one" waterfall though.right?
Thanks for the info. |
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Posted - 03/06/2007 : 10:36 PM
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waterfall: steep descent of water
The World Waterfall Database includes all minor and seasonal waterfalls and they are measured from top of first drop to bottom of last drop.
Angel Falls in Canaima National Park, Venezuela is measured at 979m (3212ft) with an uninterupted drop of 807m(2648ft). This makes it the worlds tallest no matter which measurement you use.
Tugela Falls in Royal Natal National Park, South Africa is measured at 947m (3110ft) over 5 drops. Apparently that makes it the worlds second tallest.
Check out this link to see their measuring criteria:
http://www.world-waterfalls.com/measurement.php
The waterfalls on the Island may come and go with the seasons and may only be half the total height of the tallest in the world, still its pretty cool that we have some right in our own backyard and no one seems to really know where they are or what they look like.
Ahhhh, I love the Island.
Cheers
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Tumbler Ridge, BC
Canada
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Posted - 03/07/2007 : 08:36 AM
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Originally posted by trails2blaze
waterfall: steep descent of water
The World Waterfall Database includes all minor and seasonal waterfalls and they are measured from top of first drop to bottom of last drop.
Check out this link to see their measuring criteria:
http://www.world-waterfalls.com/measurement.php
The important word in that last line is "their", as of course someone else will have a different measuring criteria. I have seen people only list the longest freefalling section, as that is what water *fall* means, right? While others will include anything and everything.
Anyway. This thread was not to kick off this discussion; rather to see if anyone knew anything more about Kiwi Falls, or the falls around Woss that are said to be in the 1400 ft range.... |
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Quathiaski Cove, BC
Canada
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Posted - 03/07/2007 : 5:40 PM
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This is a bit closer in. The famed Kiwi Falls must be dead centre. hard to see with all the snow and ice but it's there.
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Posted - 03/07/2007 : 8:30 PM
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Cool shot. So that must be the east face of Mt.Schoen?
Do those routes on the photo start at the trail head into the park off Adam Mainline?
Cheers |
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Nanaimo, BC
Canada
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Posted - 03/08/2007 : 1:35 PM
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I believe Kiwi Falls is in the middle of this picture. The falls flow into Kiwi Lake, but I didn't make it to the lake yet. The picture is taken from Nisnak meadows. I hiked in from the Adam River mainline to Nisnak Lake.
The meadows:
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Salmon Arm, BC
Canada
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Posted - 03/08/2007 : 4:25 PM
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| Thanks for posting, wild isle...much better weather than I had! |
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Comox, BC
Canada
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Posted - 08/28/2011 : 10:12 AM
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Originally posted by Backroader
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Originally posted by trails2blaze
Was checking out, "Hiking Trails III - Schoen Lake Provincial Park".
The topo map on page 183 shows "falls" on Nisnak Creek below a small lake at 2000 ft contour line, East face of Mt.Schoen. Could this be the lower drop of Kiwi Falls????????
From the info from those links, it could be.
This ringing any bells, Monkeyboy?
There are some very kick-ass-break-your-ass dead drops in those slopes.
I've scoped some of that area.
In one place we watched from below a bathtub sized piece of rock /ice come crashing down hundreds of feet.
Also one very verticly ugly fissure .
I would recommend only the best in shape , well equipped team explore those craggies.
I wouldn't want to put any S.A.R. through that wringer. |
Edited by - cambium on 08/28/2011 10:14 AM |
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