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Coquitlam, B.C
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Posted - 08/08/2006 : 7:16 PM
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| www.bcoilslick.org i'm pissed and its time we actually do something about it instead of just bitching |
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Coquitlam, British Columbia
Canada
1727 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2006 : 7:26 PM
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| If they allow off shore drilling...there will eventually be a platform between Vancouver and the island for there is supposidly a large deposite under the straight just off Vancouver!!! |
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new Westminster, bc
Canada
365 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2006 : 10:21 PM
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As long as oil prices are skyrocketting the pressure to tap BC's offshore reserves will grow. With Lord Gord and his greedy cabal in charge locally, the only thing standing between us and oil drilling is that staunch defender of all things green, Stephen Harper, and the federal moratorium.....
Well I better stake my claim for the Point Grey Foreshore. :(
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Posted - 08/11/2006 : 11:46 PM
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| What is wrong with offshore drilling? What are the long term evironmental consequences? Barring spills, I really can't see a problem. |
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North Vancouver, BC
Canada
1542 Posts |
Posted - 08/11/2006 : 11:57 PM
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| Actually people, there already has been drilling in Georgia straight, along with a substantial amount on Eastern Vancouver island. Other than a bit of deep coal, which was mined for well over a century (and arguably the reason BC is part of Canada and not the USA), they didn't find anything worth following up on. I find the word supposedly is rarely followed by facts. By the way, when was the last time you filled up? I'm not in favour of drilling here either, but at least I'll admit I'm a NIMBY. |
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Burnaby, BC
Canada
289 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2006 : 6:50 PM
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Originally posted by iamcanjim
What is wrong with offshore drilling? What are the long term evironmental consequences? Barring spills, I really can't see a problem.
Firstly, we live in very high risk earthquake zone so we are vulnerable to the potential spills. Furthermore, the amount of marine noise that is created by drilling has proven to be extremely disruptful for marine life especially mammals which can severly disturb migrations or resident populations. If certain species are removed from the area, it could have much more profound problems onthe rest of the ecosystem. |
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 opinionated-stove huggin'-fleece wearin'-arse burnin' hill virgin
Here
Canada
4642 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2006 : 7:11 PM
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Offshore oil drilling seems to work fine in Alaska's Cook Inlet, an area just as well known for earthquake and volcanic activity. Drilling seems to work fine in California as well. Tax revenues from oil make governments wealthy which in turn can be used to expand and protect other wilderness areas.
same old, same old....nimby, bimby nimby.
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Alberta-based choss climbin', flame throwin', rappel lovin', ass talkin' hater who doesn't like "Gumby" for a descriptor
6302 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2006 : 7:51 PM
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Originally posted by Hiker Boy
Tax revenues from oil make governments wealthy which in turn can be used to expand and protect other wilderness areas.
hahahahaaha good one |
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Burnaby, BC
Canada
289 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2006 : 8:22 PM
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Originally posted by Hiker Boy
Offshore oil drilling seems to work fine in Alaska's Cook Inlet, an area just as well known for earthquake and volcanic activity. Drilling seems to work fine in California as well. Tax revenues from oil make governments wealthy which in turn can be used to expand and protect other wilderness areas.
same old, same old....nimby, bimby nimby.
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That is not quite true. There has been a lot of controversy over the cook inlet drilling and off shore drilling in general.
In the last 20 years, over 3 million gallons of oil have been spilled from off shore oil ventures with an average of only 5-15% of the spilled oil recovered. Other contaminants such as lead, mercury and radium are also put into the water which I cannot help but to think this is a bad thing. Research has also found smaller fishing catches (in both volume catch size and size of fish) in areas around oil rigs. Considering BC fisheries is already in a chaotic state, I think its fair to conclude that further oil exploration may only further damage the fishing industry as well as tourism which may not be popular if whales and fishing are damaged.
These trends are present in Cook Inlet as numerous research papers have documented a decline in fish, mammal and bird species since oil drilling commenced by up to 75%. In Alaska there have been on average of 504 spills annually which has totalled 1.9 million gallons of spilled toxic liquids.
This is not something that I think is in the best interest for BC. Alaska has not yet had a major earthquake since the drilling began, so we do not yet know whether or not drilling is safe in earthquake zones. California has not had a major earthquake of the same magnitude we are expecting up here either, and the SF earthquake was well away from the oil rigs. Lastly, it is a huge assumption that any income from oil would go towards conservation any more than fisheries has (not much). |
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Penhold, Alberta
Canada
2009 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2006 : 9:56 PM
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| Sourdough; You bring up a lot of very valid points, however until the world governments get on board with conservation and eliminate the need for fossil fuels to fuel our vehicles, heat our homes, run the factories of our countries, I can't see the end of oil exploration anytime soon. In an ideal world wind power, ocean tide generated power, solar power are all great options, but the desire for real change to these must first be pre-empted by a change of attitude by our governments and big business. |
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Alberta-based choss climbin', flame throwin', rappel lovin', ass talkin' hater who doesn't like "Gumby" for a descriptor
6302 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2006 : 10:05 PM
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| You know what kind of acids and chemicals they pump into the holes? Pretty nasty stuff. |
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Penhold, Alberta
Canada
2009 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2006 : 10:14 PM
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| Back in the late 70's I was in Norman Wells drilling 90 degree whip-stock holes under the Mackenzie river and we used an invert mud which at that time was 80% diesel based. Nasty stuff alright! |
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Buntzen roving stealthy beer mule and artist, aspiring weird image findmaster who loves BC
lower mainland
Canada
1647 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2006 : 10:23 PM
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Originally posted by darrenbell
but the desire for real change to these must first be pre-empted by a change of attitude by our governments and big business.
It takes a pretty upstanding government or business to change before the people want it, but it happens. So I would say before government and business, us! Invest and buy ethically! When and if you can, it's a start. It might mean a sacrifice. |
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Penhold, Alberta
Canada
2009 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2006 : 11:05 PM
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| Your right of course BCer, but I think to get the masses(which is necessary) to create a change from fossil fuels, the costs and availability to Joe/Jane consumer must be reduced and increased respectively. If solar panels could be produced economically and our Federal, Provincial and Municipal governments would implement saving incentives for the use of Eco resources, I'm sure it wouldn't be long before more folks would be on board. It's just a matter of time, the question is can our planet wait it out? |
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Burnaby, BC
Canada
289 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2006 : 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by darrenbell
Sourdough; You bring up a lot of very valid points, however until the world governments get on board with conservation and eliminate the need for fossil fuels to fuel our vehicles, heat our homes, run the factories of our countries, I can't see the end of oil exploration anytime soon. In an ideal world wind power, ocean tide generated power, solar power are all great options, but the desire for real change to these must first be pre-empted by a change of attitude by our governments and big business.
I agree, however like any resource extraction, we have to make sure we make the best decisions we can, and frankly I don't think this is a wise decision. I don't think exploration will end any time soon, but I also think that the only way our government is going to change its beliefs re: fossil fuels is if there is more demand and pressure from the public. Furthermore, becoming less reliant on oil also helps. |
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opinionated-stove huggin'-fleece wearin'-arse burnin' hill virgin
Here
Canada
4642 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2006 : 1:15 PM
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Like it or not, our economy (especially in BC), is based on resource extraction...yep it's ugly. With the manufacturing centers and major shipping hubs being back east, it's not likely to change. The service industry does not provide the high tax paying jobs necessary to support the social service infastructure we so enjoy. I am all for looking at alternatives to our fuel and polution problems but I'm also pragmatic enough to realize that I am a consumer, a car driver, and a person who depends on the government for it's services.
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Burnaby, BC
Canada
289 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2006 : 1:50 PM
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Originally posted by Hiker Boy
Like it or not, our economy (especially in BC), is based on resource extraction...yep it's ugly. With the manufacturing centers and major shipping hubs being back east, it's not likely to change. The service industry does not provide the high tax paying jobs necessary to support the social service infastructure we so enjoy. I am all for looking at alternatives to our fuel and polution problems but I'm also pragmatic enough to realize that I am a consumer, a car driver, and a person who depends on the government for it's services.
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You're right, the service industry does pay lower wages than extraction jobs, however, I'm not sure that justifies irresponsible decisions regarding how we use our land. The long term ramifications can be much worse than any short term gains, not to mention any legacies we intend on leaving for our kids. This decision will also significantly impact our other industries (ie fishing) and first nations people who in that region depend on their ability to fish their waters. With the amount of toxins that will be introduced, I cannot help but to think of the damage that can be done and IS being done in places like Cook Inlet which you referenced earlier. Perhaps diversifying our economy away from such reliance on resource extraction may be a good idea. |
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Offshore drilling in bc future?!
