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Victoria, bc
Canada
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Posted - 05/05/2006 : 12:10 PM
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I think that the cliff is on Crown Land but it may be owned by the people who own the campground at the trailhead. The cliff is only 5 minutes from the campsite.
I really like climbing on the Ladder and although I haven't climbed there in a couple of years, I never remember it being that dirty since it is very open and gets blasted by the sun. The climbs in the forest around that area are far dirtier.
On a different note, the to get from the ledge between the two scars to the ledge at the bottom is about a 30 meter rappel. People jump of the cliff and into the water 30 meters below!
If memory serves me right, there are about 6 climbs that start at the water line with the most frequently travelled being the 5.7 crack. I forget its name though. Some routes travel up the right hand side (not in the power washed section) for 3 pitches with up to high 5.10s and some semi-hanging belays. The come out near the top of the feature. |
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Penhold, Alberta
Canada
2009 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2006 : 5:09 PM
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Originally posted by Dru
My question being, right now you are saying it's a huge visual impact and horrible and the landowner should be concerned, but if the landowner condoned the activity would that make the visual impact acceptable to you since it's on private land?
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Not at all Dru; It's an eye sore where ever it is. As I did say, I'm not a climber so perhaps I'm missing the point of scraping the rock face bare. It just seems pointless to go out looking to experience the natural world and changing it to suit ones needs. |
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Climbing, a mountain
Canada
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Posted - 05/05/2006 : 5:13 PM
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Dirt and moss diminish the quality of the climb and can promote a dangerous loss of friction.
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Penhold, Alberta
Canada
2009 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2006 : 5:14 PM
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vancouver island, b.c.
Canada
403 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2006 : 5:38 PM
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As far as I am aware Timber West has outright ownership of all that land thanks to the incomplete E&N rail land grant.I am unaware of any "crown" lands around us.Timber West has contracted out the logging of most all it's lands lately to a salmon arm comp. and has laid off all its local work force,too expensive and our gov. is a useless piece of s**t!The HEAVY use of gates on our logging roads speaks to the ownership issue.This is fact,they own most all land around us and south of us.The beaufort range is thiers,not ours.Just as the land around comox lk. and the access road to the glacier they sometimes let us into.Remember last summer when they placed an ad in our local papers stating that there will be no more access to the glacer or other local trails ie;ginger goodwin, due to the heavy logging they are conducting as well as the supposed problem with vandalism and forest fires.Nice excuse to hide the full out raping of our back country!!!!!oh no,here I go again,I'm turning red already,better go before I shoot somebody......................
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vancouver island, b.c.
Canada
403 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2006 : 5:42 PM
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Posted - 06/03/2006 : 4:32 PM
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I dont understand what all the fuss is about. Are there not better things to get your panties tied in a knot about?
What is with the attitude about sugesting that the people be prosicuted for doing this? Do people have to be sued about everything?
Maybe you should sue the people who built the road that you drove to the lake on or the manufacturer that bult your car or a billion other things that have far greater impact on the environment than cleaning a cliff to climb on.
Maybe mountain bikers should be sued for building trails? How about ski resorts? They should be sued for cutting down the trees to make the runs. These ugly ski runs can be seen for miles! WHat a disgrace! Come on people!
Maybe we should all go down town and smoke crack in the gutter? would that be better? There we would pose no threat to any poor little lichens or moss.
90% of the cliffs out there are unsuitable to climb on. Why not let us climbers clean off a couple that work for us and let us be.
I understand that cleaning the rock can seem a little crazy, but to be able to climb in our environment, it has to be done. Before Devils Ladder was pressure washed, the space between the different climbs was only a couple feet any ways.
I agree that the pressure washing seems a little crazy, but the routes have to be cleaned every few years and usually take around an hour a meter to do! This seems like a break through to me!
I am pretty sure that the color of the rock will be back to normal within a year any ways.
Some one was talking about the trails out to devils ladder. Who do you think built the trails and maintains them? ......Hmmmmmmm I think it was the climbers. Generally climbers are a pretty respectful group, and in the greater scheme of things, our impact is verry small! (preasure washer or not)
Why cant we all just get along? |
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Penhold, Alberta
Canada
2009 Posts |
Posted - 06/03/2006 : 4:57 PM
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90% of the cliffs out there are unsuitable to climb on. Why not let us climbers clean off a couple that work for us and let us be.
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100% of the forests were not fit to drive a vehicle through before someone decided to make the environment suit their needs as well! |
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Posted - 06/03/2006 : 5:40 PM
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i think the climbs are great now. all the climbers at the lake agree. i know personally that route setters at squamish and skaha use bleach and other chemicals.
monkey is probably not from the area or he would realize that locals dont care about little things like this. access is not an issue |
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Posted - 06/03/2006 : 10:01 PM
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| Maybe we should build a giant space ship and all leave this planet so we do not destroy anything else. Either that or we should build a giant bio-dome to live in and not let any one leave. No one should be alowd to actually enjoy the nature. Just a sugestion..... |
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Posted - 06/03/2006 : 10:08 PM
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100% of the forests were not fit to drive a vehicle through before someone decided to make the environment suit their needs as well!
like i said, no one should be alowed to do anything....stay in your city. do not make contact with any trees or wild life....
Ok, so I may be a little crazy, but I think people should step back and look at the big picture. The dammage that climbers do is microscopic compared to so many other things in this world.
Lets get our priorities straight. Maybe we should try to stop mr shrub from down south from bombing the whole world before we freak out about climbers.... |
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vancouver island, b.c.
Canada
403 Posts |
Posted - 06/04/2006 : 11:58 AM
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akua Posted - 06/03/2006 : 5:40:45 PM
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i think the climbs are great now. all the climbers at the lake agree. i know personally that route setters at squamish and skaha use bleach and other chemicals.
monkey is probably not from the area or he would realize that locals dont care about little things like this. access is not an issue
Monkeyboy IS from the area,climbs in the area AND RESPECTS the area!
Unlike some people who even suggest we go out and smoke crack!
Get a grip on reality and take a hard look at what we are doing to the land.So what if other human effects are greater,does this give licence to do anything else which is lesser?If Ted Bundy killed then is it ok to rape?
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Posted - 06/04/2006 : 12:52 PM
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Monkeyboy, get over it. Who made you king of the Lake?
As you mentioned before TimberWest owns the land and if they have a problem with someone washing off some rocks then I am sure they can find out who did it. What would you think if they one day decided to remove all the nice timber above Devils Ladder? How would that fit into your picture of nature and pristineness? |
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Posted - 06/04/2006 : 10:33 PM
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monkey, do other people agree with your ideas. you sound a little hot tempered? certainly there is not crack smoking going on, and whats with the bundy thing. are you confused about what happened at the lake?
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Posted - 06/05/2006 : 11:04 AM
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| I know for a fact that the wood around devils ladder will go down soon. An insider told me....ouch! |
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Penhold, Alberta
Canada
2009 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2006 : 12:47 PM
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I know for a fact that the wood around devils ladder will go down soon. An insider told me....ouch! quote:
So logging this bluff bare would be upsetting to you,however pressure washing the cliffs bare should be socially acceptable because you feel it helps you and others enjoy your activities?
I guess some people can display their hypocrisy without feeling even the slightest ashamed. |
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Devils Ladder stripped!!!!
