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 Shakin' all o-veeerr!! Garibaldi Lake Mar 17-19
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Scrambler
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Herbal tea drinkin, tree huggin, view seeking, tortoise paced, ultralite wannabe

Vancouver, BC
Canada

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 Posted - 03/20/2006 :  2:09 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
very fun report Looks like y'all had a great time and got some good pics, too. Looks like I'll have to wait for next year to experience winter camping since it's now the first day of spring Yippeee!!

blackfly
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Manitoba's misadventurin' bushwhackin', dog sloggin', dehydratin', beer drinkin' biggie - who's eager to peak bag Mt Currie in a dress

Squamish
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 Posted - 03/20/2006 :  6:07 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ummmmm, basil and cilantro.....

Great report you guys! You picked a great weekend. So, Annie, how was your, uh, experiment?
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Jeffster
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 Posted - 03/20/2006 :  6:17 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Looks good guys!!
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darren
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Whitehorse, YUKON
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 Posted - 03/20/2006 :  6:21 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SnowSeeker

quote:
Originally posted by Shadee
Not only that but I think there was a 'bear' in the shelter with us, kinda noisey and kept waking a few of us up

Yeah, right. There were more than one bear if you ask me...



LET THE GREAT SNORING DEBATE BEGIN!!
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simonc
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Peak bagging, bushwhacking, zamboni driving, snowshoeing, self portrait artist, and speed demon who loves to hang out on Mt. Seymour


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 Posted - 03/20/2006 :  6:35 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Like this shot.

Great TR WS and some nice photos.

mazeGirl
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Vancouver, BC
Canada

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 Posted - 03/20/2006 :  7:04 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
great TR and pics, thank you for sharing your experience

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Quiet Night Thinking

Bed front moonlight,
Is frost on ground?
Up head watching moon,
Down head thinking home.

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Makati
Philippines

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 Posted - 03/20/2006 :  7:25 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
H'hey. Looks great up there. I wish i still had access. Glad to see you all havin some fun.
Y'all took some great pics to boot. They'll help me dream at night and remind me of home.

Good werk.

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mick range
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 Posted - 03/20/2006 :  7:40 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by blackfly

Ummmmm, basil and cilantro.....

Great report you guys! You picked a great weekend. So, Annie, how was your, uh, experiment?



Should I have said parsley and oregano ?

pmicheals
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Richmond, BC
Canada

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 Posted - 03/20/2006 :  7:53 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Wonderful trip report and awfully nice pictures. I can sympathize with the camping on the switchbacks scenario. It happened to a friend and I years ago when we got a late start and forgot to factor in the road and breaking trail and breaking in new AT Boots. They were leather/plastic but warm as hell which brings me to the next point. Two Thermarests appear to be deflating at night and Annie's hold's out. Perhaps it's a deffect or the specific one that Annie has is the one that Thermarest recommends for winter use. Verrrrry interesting Hogan. I love those misty lake pictures. Looking towards Sphinx, it reminds of the Garibladi Neve fog you would occasionally experience. Gotta get me one of those Digi-cameras.

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sgRant
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 Posted - 03/20/2006 :  8:13 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
During the big snow year a few years back, we camped on top of where the shelter is. The snow was about 10' deeper, and the shelter was not accessible - if you could find it. That was the year one of the two shelters at Taylor Meadows campsite was wrecked.


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sgRant
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 Posted - 03/20/2006 :  8:37 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by wilderness_seeker


4) Waiting for snow to melt into a substantial quantity of boiling water takes a little patience. Actually, it's a total pain in the a$$. And if you accidentally drop or kick over a newly boiling pot of water, it doesn't matter what other positive personal attributes you might have to offer - you will NOT be the most popular camper in the group for the time being.



It's much easier to dig a hole in the lake for water. Even with fresh snow, the water will be only 6"-24" down on Garibaldi Lake. It's 800' deep, so you can drink as much as you like.

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Aqua Terra
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 Posted - 03/20/2006 :  8:45 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sounds like it was sucess after all,and many good pics too.
Cilantro and Basil EH? is that in paper or pipe?

wilderness_seeker
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Vancouver, BC
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 Posted - 03/20/2006 :  8:50 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SnowSeeker
1. Tracy's headlamp is cool. You should see the size of the battery that goes in it!



I've had it for years. When you buy a piece of gear, you think you are buying some timeless item that will last you for a lifetime of hiking, but then they go and design something smaller/brighter/lighter/stronger/warmer/easier to use/better. Hence our insatiable appetites for more gear.

Also commented on was the fact that my MEC pack had a sewn-on MEC logo (apparently they don't do that anymore). And then, really getting into it, I proudly displayed my rain poncho which I've had since about Grade 7. As Darren said, "Man, you sure have some old gear!" LOL!!

I have not yet bought a soft shell jacket, so there's still hope. Do you think if I manage to pick up a packet of Kendall Mint cakes, I might begin to qualify as a member of Club Retread?

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 Posted - 03/20/2006 :  8:51 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by wilderness_seeker

quote:
Originally posted by SnowSeeker
1. Tracy's headlamp is cool. You should see the size of the battery that goes in it!



I've had it for years. When you buy a piece of gear, you think you are buying some timeless item that will last you for a lifetime of hiking, but then they go and design something smaller/brighter/lighter/stronger/warmer/easier to use/better. Hence our insatiable appetites for more gear.

Also commented on was the fact that my MEC pack had a sewn-on MEC logo (apparently they don't do that anymore). And then, really getting into it, I proudly displayed my rain poncho which I've had since about Grade 7. As Darren said, "Man, you sure have some old gear!" LOL!!

I have not yet bought a soft shell jacket, so there's still hope. Do you think if I manage to pick up a packet of Kendall Mint cakes, I might begin to qualify as a member of Club Retread?


I'll have to get DBlair and Ted to rule on that, but I'd say you're in

wilderness_seeker
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 Posted - 03/20/2006 :  8:53 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sgRant
It's much easier to dig a hole in the lake for water. Even with fresh snow, the water will be only 6"-24" down on Garibaldi Lake. It's 800' deep, so you can drink as much as you like.



Now you tell me!! Next time.

sgRant
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 Posted - 03/20/2006 :  9:14 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by wilderness_seeker

quote:
Originally posted by sgRant
It's much easier to dig a hole in the lake for water. Even with fresh snow, the water will be only 6"-24" down on Garibaldi Lake. It's 800' deep, so you can drink as much as you like.



Now you tell me!! Next time.



We even get water from the lakes at Elfin Shelter. No sense tediously melting snow with who knows what in it.

The secret is that the deep snowfall on places like Garibaldi Lake either prevents ice from forming, or pushes any ice down into the water. It may seem startling there's only a foot or so of dry snow above the water, but the lake is covered by alternating layers of slush perhaps six feet thick.

I've never heard of anyone getting sick from drinking lake water in the winter. Perhaps the water column is less biologically active in the winter, and perhaps the slush acts as a filter. Anyway, water filters would freeze up in the winter, and you can always boil the water. Even in the Rockies, you can usually get water out of lakes in the winter.

In the winter, you can get water out from shore where most of the nasties are, which usually isn't an option in the summer.

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Edited by - sgRant on 03/20/2006 9:18 PM
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SnowSeeker
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Vancouver
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 Posted - 03/20/2006 :  9:17 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Aqua Terra

Sounds like it was sucess after all,and many good pics too.
Cilantro and Basil EH? is that in paper or pipe?

You'll have to come with Darren and I to find out...

Pretty pictures you guys! Hadn't had a chance to look at them but I'm home now and have all the time in the world...

wilderness_seeker
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Vancouver, BC
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 Posted - 03/20/2006 :  9:27 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sgRant
The secret is that the deep snowfall on places like Garibaldi Lake either prevents ice from forming, or pushes any ice down into the water. It may seem startling there's only a foot or so of dry snow above the water, but the lake is covered by alternating layers of slush perhaps six feet thick.



That does seem startling, given that we were walking on it. Weird to think that six feet of slush is strong enough to hold us. I don't like the idea of walking across a foot of snow over an 800' deep lake, especially with an insanely heavy pack.

sgRant
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 Posted - 03/20/2006 :  9:32 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by wilderness_seeker


That does seem startling, given that we were walking on it. Weird to think that six feet of slush is strong enough to hold us. I don't like the idea of walking across a foot of snow over an 800' deep lake, especially with an insanely heavy pack.



Oh, don't worry about it. Almost no one ever falls through. The only people I've heard of having that misfortune were people headed to Sphinx Bay, very late in the season (May?), in the middle of the night, and knowing the lake wasn't safe. They got out ok.

There was one occasion when we deliberately spread out, even though we were on skis.

I guess the thing is that snow is both elastic and likes gripping to itself. Like how the snow piled up on a bridge or log is much wider than the log itself. This forms a net that you don't simply punch through. I'd guess that skis have more flotation than snowshoes of the same suface area.

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Edited by - sgRant on 03/20/2006 9:35 PM
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 Posted - 03/20/2006 :  9:49 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
it isnt any different than walking over snow-bridged crevasses on a glacier, except that crevasses generally max out at 30m deep.
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