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Surrey, BC
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Posted - 03/15/2006 : 7:08 PM
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Which bag should i buy? Used for hiking in west coast winter.
Asolo Dolomite ,-12C ,3 season barrel shaped mummy,2.35 lbsfill, quadratherm plus spiral $80(reg $130)-coast mountain sports
Outbound Ellesmere M, -12C,fill=2.35lbs, Quadratherm plus, $100-
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Edited by - greenhorn on 03/15/2006 8:17 PM
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 Sardonic sandbagging scoundrel, Cascade Climbers lobotomized spraymeister, space blanket flyer, new millennium vulgarian betaboy and friend to all squids
Climbing, a mountain
Canada
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Posted - 03/15/2006 : 7:35 PM
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| assuming you are being serious, i wouldn't buy either. three season bags are not good for winter. buy a 4 season bag instead. |
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North Vancouver, BC
Canada
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Posted - 03/15/2006 : 7:46 PM
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Quality is not cheap. Warmth is also not cheap. If you up the temp. rating of your bag to minus 15 or -20, then you have something that allows you to vent if you're too hot and snuggle with when the overnight cold exceeds the forecast. I prefer down as it is lighter ,compresses more and lofts more. It also sucks if it gets wet unlike the fibrefill bags. ( so don't get it wet .)
Mummy bag is best for cold winter camping as you have less space to heat with your body energy. A barrel bag just allows you to put your socks on in the morning without fully unzipping the bag.
Make sure you have a draft collar thats puffy down from the top of the zipper rather than pointing up from the bottom of the bag, some bags have this for some reason?
Make sure it has a neck yoke and sufficient fill around the hood.
Save your money up and buy quality. After all when you wake up stretched out and warm rather than in a fetal ball shivering you'll appreciate the difference.
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Surrey, BC
Canada
610 Posts |
Posted - 03/15/2006 : 8:16 PM
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What is the difference between a 3-season and 4-season bag? Just the temp rating?
Canadian tire has one made by Columbia for 100 bucks. rated -18C, but weighs 3.5 lbs. fill weighs 3 lbs.
Couldnt I just buy a liner if it is too cold? |
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vancouver, bc
Canada
466 Posts |
Posted - 03/15/2006 : 8:23 PM
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im a pretty warm sleeper and i could use a -12 in the summer while wearing no thermal underwear. If you know anyone with a bag you can try out i would recomend that. Those temperature ratings dont mean much, everyone handles the cold different. You should probably spend at the very least 160 bucks on a bag if you dont wanna freeze.
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Sardonic sandbagging scoundrel, Cascade Climbers lobotomized spraymeister, space blanket flyer, new millennium vulgarian betaboy and friend to all squids
Climbing, a mountain
Canada
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Posted - 03/15/2006 : 8:34 PM
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| i use a -7 for summer and a -20 for winter, with overbag if necessary to stretch it out to -30. generally speaking you will be warm in the bag down to about 5-10c of the rated temperature and then you have to start adding layers. |
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Surrey, BC
Canada
610 Posts |
Posted - 03/15/2006 : 9:53 PM
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Ok, Thanks:) I guess I will be cold with a -12C rating, but I cant really see myself carry more than 3lbs. I dont really sleep when I camp so maybe it doesnt matter if I'm cold.
The MEC sleeping bags are way too heavy for me |
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Beaverton, ON
Canada
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Posted - 03/15/2006 : 10:12 PM
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The best bag for your hard earned cash, is a 1/2 decent down bag.
A down bag, while more cash up front, will;
last longer - the fibres in synthetic bags, will deteriorate after a couple seasons worth of squishing into a stuff, or compression sac, thus rendering the bag's ability to keep you nearly as warm as when first purchased. A bag that kept you warm at say -10c, now works to just +5, or even higher.
So after 5, maybe 6 seasons, you are in the market for another bag.
A good down bag will last 10+ years
give more warmth per oz - no comparison there!
more compressible - A down bag will compress into a smaller package, thus taking up less room in your pack.
My main 3+ season bag is a down bag rated to -7 and is just over 1kg. I have used this bag in -25 and while starting to feel the chill a bit, has constantly lived up too and beyond it's temp rating. It has almost 700 g of fill, so I'm not surprised by this fact.
I also have an older synthetic -20 bag and while very good the first couple of years, it's ability to keep me warm in/close to those temps has dropped off a fair amount. It doesn't see much use anymore. It weighs in somewhere about 2.4kg and consumes a lot of space in a pack!
I also bought a MEC WinterHawk when they were on sale, to use mainly as a 'car camping bag'
Most all decent down bags sold now, have a good outershell with a decent DWR treatment, either applied, or built-in.
Expect to pay anywhere from a minimum of $250 all the way up to $1000, but can be viewed as a long lasting, quality investment.
It is very important to note the fill weight of a bag!!!
A down bag with about 20ozs(560g) is a fairly good 3 season bag. One with 35ozs(980g) is a good winter bag. Looking at the actual fill weight will give you a more accurate idea of the bag's warmth rating, than what the hyped up Manufacturers Temp Ratings will
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Surrey, BC
Canada
610 Posts |
Posted - 03/15/2006 : 10:24 PM
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A good down bag will last 10+ years
someone will pee on it or barf in it or burn it before then. My main objection is that if it gets wet it is useless. |
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Sardonic sandbagging scoundrel, Cascade Climbers lobotomized spraymeister, space blanket flyer, new millennium vulgarian betaboy and friend to all squids
Climbing, a mountain
Canada
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Posted - 03/15/2006 : 10:56 PM
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| mostly your bag gets wet in the summer from rain, not in the winter from snow. |
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vancouver, bc
Canada
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Posted - 03/16/2006 : 1:51 PM
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Originally posted by greenhorn
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A good down bag will last 10+ years
someone will pee on it or barf in it or burn it before then. My main objection is that if it gets wet it is useless.
youve got to get very wet to wreck it. you would have to leave it out in the rain or fall in a lake or river or sleep in a tent with a hole in the roof. Its totally up to you though but down will save some space in your bag compared to synthetic and its got a way better warmth to weight ratio. But then again if you guys are all barfing and peeing all over the place and burning things on your trips go with synthetic, I dont reccomend burning sleeping bags though
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Posted - 03/16/2006 : 2:01 PM
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Originally posted by Dru
mostly your bag gets wet in the summer from rain, not in the winter from snow.
I use a down bag all four seasons, but I'm not Mark Twight. Sure, that guy needs a synthetic bag because of the ^^#$ he gets himself into. Even a GTX covered down bag will get soaked sleeping on some spindrift-pummeled ledge on some sick face. But, that's not me, so I use my down bag, sleep in a tent most of the time, and enjoy the weight/warmth, compressability (is that a word?) and longevity. I use a super-light OR dry-bag to keep it from getting wet if I toss my pack in the snow bank, and I'm fine.
As for summer use, I traveled with my down bag the entire Glacier Trail last summer, including three days of DRIVING rain without any wetting-out problems. The "moisture control" of the Hubba Hubba helps greatly!! |
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Sardonic sandbagging scoundrel, Cascade Climbers lobotomized spraymeister, space blanket flyer, new millennium vulgarian betaboy and friend to all squids
Climbing, a mountain
Canada
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Posted - 03/16/2006 : 7:16 PM
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the Rockies do not have real "driving rain", only pleasant summer showers like in a 7_up commercial  |
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Surrey, BC
Canada
610 Posts |
Posted - 03/16/2006 : 8:13 PM
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| Aron Ralston(guy who amputated his trapped arm) had a black bear throw his sleeping bag in a lake in the middle of winter. |
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Trail running, bike hucking, fast packing, beer drinking collector of pine cones on a day pass
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Forest Gnome Cabin
Canada
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Posted - 03/16/2006 : 8:51 PM
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Are you still hoping to visit Fannin Lake in winter conditions ? As far as I know, it's not been bagged in winter. I'll ask Don McPherson  |
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Surrey, BC
Canada
610 Posts |
Posted - 03/16/2006 : 10:32 PM
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Originally posted by mick range
Are you still hoping to visit Fannin Lake in winter conditions ? As far as I know, it's not been bagged in winter. I'll ask Don McPherson
yep, that is on my agenda:) |
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Maple syrup lovin', tree huggin', face paintin' relocated Québécoise who is VERY serious about having fun
Vancouver
Canada
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Posted - 03/16/2006 : 11:10 PM
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Originally posted by greenhorn
someone will pee on it or barf in it or burn it before then.
Now that's what I call extreme camping! |
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vancouver, bc
Canada
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Posted - 03/17/2006 : 12:43 AM
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Originally posted by SnowSeeker
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Originally posted by greenhorn
someone will pee on it or barf in it or burn it before then.
Now that's what I call extreme camping!
well as long as your having a good time, thats all that matters.
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