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Shadee
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spaceship..
Canada

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 Posted - 11/07/2005 :  1:27 PM  Show Profile  Reply to this posting
A question for the MSR snowshoe users here...

The heel lift, do you remember to use it, and how much of a difference does it make?
One of the people I was out with yesterday has a new pair of msr's, and when he remembered the heel lift he said it made things much easier
BUT - I just noticed on the MEC website they are advertising the lightning ascents without the heel lift, for even lighter weight.
Im wondering why they'd do away with it, other than weight.
Thoughts? comments?


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Dru
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Canada

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 Posted - 11/07/2005 :  1:52 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If you have to climb steeply, it is a big help, I find.

Just for tromping around on trails it doesn't make much difference. But getting up a snowcone to the basse of an ice climb, it is noticeably easier with the heel lift up.

JimK
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Seattle, WA
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 Posted - 11/07/2005 :  2:02 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
On long steep climbs I find them to be very useful in reducing calf strain. I feel a lot better at the top than friends who do not have them.

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blondie
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North Vancouver, BC
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 Posted - 11/07/2005 :  3:15 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have the Denali acsents and I love the lifts for steeps: by resting your heel on the support you save on the muscle power you'd otherwise use to hold your heel up. That being said, it can be a little annoying flipping them up and down if the trail flattens or worse, decends. On the flat the lift will give you the experience of high-heeled snowshoeing!

I suppose the cost is the only difference, as I believe it was with the Denali classic vs ascent. Who would think 2 little pieces of metal would cost $40-50?

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exscape
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Da'Wack, BC
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 Posted - 11/07/2005 :  3:26 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Pro-heel lift. It reduces the strain on your calves.

I would guess the option would be for people in the prairies? or Ontario?
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SnowSeeker
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Vancouver
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 Posted - 11/07/2005 :  4:07 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I love this heel lift! It almost feels as if you're walking on a flat surface.

Bishop
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 Posted - 11/07/2005 :  4:39 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yay.

smac
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north van, bc
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 Posted - 11/07/2005 :  5:13 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
having not seen them in person, only the pic. my concern would be how much weight can that little metal loop hold?

it kinda looks like I would just bend / snap it with a 50lbs pack on.

johngenx
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 Posted - 11/07/2005 :  5:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My MSR shoes (Ascents) have the heel lift and I use it with a 45lb pack on with no problems. They're great for relentless climbs that would normally burn your calves up.

blackfly
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Squamish
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 Posted - 11/07/2005 :  8:09 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Nay. Don't have them and don't feel they are really necessary. If I had them, I might like them, but I don't, and could care less
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simonc
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 Posted - 11/07/2005 :  8:10 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have the Denali Classics, never tried the Ascents. I don't have any calf problems on ascending. If you do enough of it the muscle would adapt. However, if you're willing to shell out the extra $40 or so-go for it. A friend of mine has used both and he likes the Ascents. I feel I would get lazy about having to click up the bar everytime I get to a steep part.

mick range
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 Posted - 11/07/2005 :  8:47 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You would, Simon, and so would I
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Q
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 Posted - 11/07/2005 :  11:48 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I like them and use them but if they weren't there I would just have done without. Not sure if I would notice the difference if I had never used them.
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ChuckLW
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 Posted - 11/07/2005 :  11:59 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have MSR Classics without the heel lift option and wonder if anyone has figured out a workable retrofit/gerry rig option to add their own?

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johngenx
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Finally stopping that crazy suffering that is ice, climbing to concentrate on great ski tours!
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 Posted - 11/08/2005 :  05:43 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by simonc

I feel I would get lazy about having to click up the bar everytime I get to a steep part.



I don't use them for "undulating" terrain where you're going up and down, etc. They work best when you have relentless steep section that is long. Even the toughest calves don't "adapt" to a 6km stretch with 1200M of gain...
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BillyGoat
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 Posted - 11/08/2005 :  08:37 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The heel lift is great, but at the same time, it makes the shoe a bit more prone to twisting to the left or right when stepping up in heavier powder or uneven snow. The heel lift works best on a firm snowpack.

Shadee
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 Posted - 11/08/2005 :  08:56 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the responses
I've been thinking about buying a new pair of snowshoes (any excuse for new gear ).
I don't see how one piece of metal would make that much of a difference in weight, so for me I guess it'll be nice to have the heel lift, rather than buy a pair without and wish I had it.

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Farmer
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Troy, MT
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 Posted - 04/25/2007 :  3:47 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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I'm finally gonna get myself some snowshoes, now that places are clearing them out, and I'm having the same problem of chooseing weather or not to get the heel lifts. right now @ REI, I can get the denali classics for $75 (US) and the evo ascents for $150. After conversion and taxes, the denali evo ascents are $90 CDN more than the classics. I cant choose if I need the lifts or not. suggestions? and what is the difference between the ones that say "evo" and the other ones

Edited by - Farmer on 04/25/2007 4:55 PM

Rock Star
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North Vancouver, bc
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 Posted - 04/25/2007 :  4:13 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The Evo's have a narrower tapered footprint than the classics. I have the Denali ascents, and the Evo's. I don't have a problem with the denali's being too wide, but if you have a narrow stance it might be worth it. The difference between the ascents and classics, shouldn't be more than $50 CDN.

wilderness_seeker
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 Posted - 04/25/2007 :  5:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have the Lightning Ascents and I like the heel lifts when I'm going up a steep hill. I use them because I've got them and they do help. But, I'd probably do just as well without for the kind of stuff I do, ie I haven't really been climbing any long, sustained, overly steep hills.

BitPlayer
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 Posted - 04/25/2007 :  8:06 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Heel lifts, pay the extra. If you will be snowshoeing in the mountains they are and asset. If you do not have them you will not miss them. If ya gotem yull likem.
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